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00:00 play your jingle play my jingle let's go get ready for the jingle everyone we're
00:17 back we are back episode three dude we've lasted three weeks look at that I
00:23 think it's this this is gonna be some kind of street now you know yeah oh yeah catching on yeah yeah I think we've
00:30 lasted more than some other podcasts maybe yeah maybe yeah jury's still out
00:35 on that one we'll wait for the results
00:40 when we talk about this week Joe ah man I had a great steak for dinner tonight
00:46 it was awesome mmm yummy yummy yummy medium medium rare you know it you know
00:53 my my wife it allows me because she she'll cook it a little pink for me she likes it cooked and then cooked again so
00:59 like you know she likes the rubber the rubber meat so she definitely has to take it out early for me because I like
01:06 my pink meat yeah okay that's good I don't know how your wife does that but
01:13 okay ruins the steak but let's get it
01:19 let's get the business let's get to business today we are talking about email everybody how exciting is that
01:25 right it is it is exciting it's something that everybody needs to use
01:32 right and so while my my opinions of
01:37 email Gregg first well let's let's go let's you know clarify a little bit not just like the hi hi Joe how you doing we
01:45 talked about getting email newsletters you want to get straight to business man like okay no yeah go ahead Greg sorry no
01:54 I mean I just wanted to make sure we're clear that you're not talking about you know the the random support email or the
02:02 waiter hi how you doin you know we're talking about from like a business standpoint and how you know we're trying
02:10 to as our rapidweaver developers as you know
02:15 we're trying to optimize our business we're trying to grow our business build our business and how we're gonna use email marketing and email newsletters
02:23 hopefully in some successful forum over for me 2018 that's my plan I don't know about
02:32 you but 2018 is my goal to be better about this because yeah I am both oh
02:38 yeah so you know what they've been saying for years that you know social media is the way to go right you know
02:44 like everything all marketing is going social and and while I think that is important all the money is still in
02:51 email like let me say that again everyone all of the money is still in
02:57 email that is my $100,000 tip for the
03:03 for this podcast hey how about that $100,000 tip there we go Wow
03:09 million-dollar waiting I'm waiting for the person to try to collect on this yeah no promises where's the
03:17 fast-talking you know disclaimer guy little michigan lawyer gonna cut in I
03:27 cannot promise that you're making a million dollars thank you Greg for keeping us honest okay okay but I do
03:33 have to say so I every single time I have a product launch like you know I
03:38 think I'm gonna you know test this out I'm going to you know post about my new
03:43 product purely on social media right for like two days right and without doubt
03:50 every single time like I get some emails from my raging fans right that people
03:56 that buy you know a lot of the stuff that I have right they go out and they
04:01 buy obviously because they're the ones that are involved in the weaver space community they're the ones that follow me on Twitter maybe you follow in my
04:07 facebook group and whatnot right so you know they're the people that are gonna see that and then go out and you know
04:13 probably buy it but most people most of my sales come in after I send out that
04:20 email to every email blast to my list like it is without a doubt
04:26 nobody you know from a percentage standpoint a vast majority of people do
04:32 not buy the product until I send out that email that announces it to the world
04:37 so email is not dead email newsletters are important for your business okay
04:43 now let me just say one thing that I am bad at like I have planned for a while
04:48 to send out like regular newsletters like you know hey here's this cool you know new site here's this cool news
04:54 article I read and and while I'm getting somewhat better at that I do have a section for you know news related stuff
05:01 on the Weaver space community I I haven't done it via email and basically
05:06 my emails right now are I released something new and I need to do better
05:11 than that this year and you know my goal is to you know isn't just to you know
05:17 ask for your money in an email you know yeah you know and that isn't my intention I should say you know it isn't
05:23 that my intention is you know I am you know wholeheartedly all-in for for the
05:28 users of the community it's just sending out emails the one way for to me to let everybody know that I have something
05:35 awesome for you guys you know I'm I'm not a money-grubber or anything like that but that is kind of how I use email
05:43 right now and I could be better at that I could use it as utility to you know
05:48 train and inspire and teach more than I do just using it as a sales mechanism I
05:55 think and ultimately I think if I do that like it could probably improve my conversions over time for sales right
06:01 because it's I mean right now I send an email out I don't every few months I'll ship something right or something like that
06:07 and you know it's like Oh mail from Joe it must mean there's a new stack coming
06:13 right or something like that so I want I wanted to be more regular you know in your ears for teaching you how to do
06:19 stuff and I think I think that's bored so that's my goal for email in 2018 hopefully I'll have time to do that it
06:25 really is my intention but we'll see if I get there how about you Greg yeah that's hard like I have what I
06:31 really want to do for email is I want to really set up marketing I really want to try out being
06:38 able to you know collect a user's email and then remind him about me at-at some
06:45 regular interview interval so you know one thing I did a long time ago was I I
06:50 developed this free site treat from chili dog posting it's broken now and I
06:56 have to I had to fix it and repair it but it would test your site for various
07:02 SEO metrics so it would check you know his gzip enabled our Java duplicate
07:08 homepage check various easy low-hanging fruit issues with your site and at the
07:16 same time it would you know it would send you this report and it would sign you up for my newsletter which I am NOT
07:23 taking advantage of but in an ideal world I would set up this drip email
07:29 campaign where once I collect that email address I would then you know teach the
07:35 user about another topic and remind them about my service and my products and do
07:40 that at some periodic intervals so that they don't forget about me you know and they and that I stay fresh on their mind
07:47 it builds helped build that kind of a domain Authority that I'm trying to seek
07:53 with people you know that I have this knowledge and reputation that I'm trying
07:59 to maintain for time and you know eventually hopefully you know without looking for product or service that I'm
08:08 something that somebody that comes to mind for them mmm-hmm so that's what I'm that's what I'm kind of hoping to do
08:13 yeah I agree the autoresponder syriza's are good I I did one for the email thing and
08:21 again another failure so I plan on like having like ten email tips when you signed up for the email newsletter thing
08:28 on my email stacks calm and I think I had to and I never made the rest of the
08:35 eight emails in the series so I
08:41 apologized everyone that's subscribed to that series and he only ended up getting two emails and he should have got ten
08:48 that's all my list for this year another thing that I did do I think I did this last year was anyone that bought
08:56 foundation last year like new users that bought it got an email like a welcome to foundation email you know I never got
09:04 any feedback for anyone on that but I should that's not a bad idea
09:11 and you know that makes me want to kind of do something like that for my
09:17 products as well now you know and kind of help people get started with whatever
09:23 they just bought exactly exactly that was the only point I was hey you know thanks for buying this you know um you
09:29 know here's step one where you get started your step two you know or something like that you know or it could
09:34 be a sequence of emails you know it could be it could start a holes chain right so yeah yeah that that's tough
09:41 that's a good idea yeah okay so so the user flow for that is after they purchased the product carve them send
09:48 that to your send the installation and they're subscribed and that triggers the
09:54 adds them to the list and that triggers the autoresponder exactly yeah that's
09:59 cool yeah that's cool so you want to talk about how you users could possibly
10:05 get started with something like this yeah so I think we structure this here you got that you wrote the structure down kind of what what if this the flow
10:11 and go through in this episode Greg really sure sure we're gonna start with collecting emails okay so collecting
10:18 let's talk about design and then design design list segmentation maybe drip drip
10:25 email marketing a little bit and talk about deliveries so basically how do you go from zero to hero right zero to
10:33 sending out an email marketing campaign yeah so collecting email right um you
10:39 know there there's many different ways to collect email you know I guess right
10:44 now so I use a software package called send e I guess I should clarify that right um it's kind of a self installed
10:50 you know and I manage everything on my own as you know Greg uh I'm sure he'll
10:57 talk about it has his own email service that's actually kind of base off Cindy a little bit and then he's
11:03 added a bunch of hotness on top of that stuff which is really sweet now it there
11:08 are tons of email services like there's it's just a growing market there's tons of them out there right so I'm sure all
11:15 of those services including Cindy and Greg service all have kind of like a widget that you can embed in your app
11:22 Weaver page right so you know it gives you a either JavaScript or some sort of HTML snippet you can throw that on your
11:29 page and then you know the subscribers from that forum will then go into your subscription database so that's one way
11:36 I have a product called post office it is a stack that integrates with sendee
11:43 as well as a bunch of it like MailChimp and madney me and a few others services
11:52 out there it even has its own like if you wanna you know migrate to a manage your own in a my sequel database or
11:58 something like that you can it'll handle all that for you as well so yeah post
12:04 offices is a great solution and I know greg has a couple things here Greg what what sort of things do you have available in your products well I mean
12:12 you mentioned my email newsletter stuff um yeah it's built on top of Cindy actually so you leveraged all the
12:19 awesome features that Cindy offers but I can take care of a lot of the stuff that
12:25 makes it really hard to manage scale deploy backup and I deal with all of the
12:33 stuff that you don't want to deal with yes I think that's that's a great point
12:38 like um you know I I'm a yes I do manage my own centi instance but I I know how
12:44 to build a server and I know how to manage a server and I know how to do all that stuff right and not everyone knows how to do that so
12:50 you know what Greg's done here is is pretty awesome so I hate to chime in and but in Greg but it is a great
12:56 opportunity I think everyone should check it out so yeah go ahead thank you thank you appreciate it you know it's
13:02 like stuff like um getting a domain verified you know okay in order to send
13:08 these kind of emails you need to have your domain verified a certain way
13:13 you also need to adhere with certain requirements you have to have ft handled
13:18 bounce notifications you have to handle spam complaints you have to eat you know
13:24 you want to handle some of these new updates that come out and you have to manage that I take care of all that if
13:30 for instance Amazon decides your bounce rate is too high and they do you list
13:36 you that's happened that's not me yeah see that's on me to resolve I will take
13:42 care of that you know and that's part of part of my work and I'm not really worried about it because that's sucked
13:48 oh yeah I'll take care of it I'll fix they don't get a result a big deal so
13:54 that's what my newsletter that's kind of like the big the big draw off my newsletter and you know I've had that
14:01 customers come to me say they don't they botched their they botched their Sunday install is completely an inoperable what
14:07 do I do and I'm like well you know we can work and getting this result together or I can just bring your data
14:14 over here and you won't have to worry about it and I'll take care of it from here and seems like you know that's
14:22 something that people interested in and one thing that I've just started offering in this this goes this is a
14:29 good this is a good a good test case joke because this is how bad I am nobody probably even knows I have the service
14:35 and nobody even knows that I offered a plan where you can collect emails for $1
14:43 a month so you you could in theory start
14:48 right now collecting the emails to build your email marketing list for $1 a month and then when you have emails to send
14:57 you can then upgrade to an actual plan where you can send you and for months
15:05 where you don't have emails to send you can downgrade back to the one dollar a month plan I'll say you can go back you
15:11 could always be collecting emails always be covering your evening but you know when months were you
15:17 actually going to send the newsletter out say holidays or something like that and you're gonna start in you know October November December and you know
15:24 start emails out those you know one to three months there you know that's when you
15:30 get an upgrade and you can start sending emails out and do those things and it's significantly more affordable than the
15:36 MailChimp's out there those bigger providers they do a lot and and not to
15:42 knock their services but being an indie developer like I am I and I and how bad
15:50 I am at this it's not it's not for me it's too expensive for me because I
15:56 don't have a dedicated person I don't have an email marketing team I don't have a CMO I just have me and clearly my
16:02 hit my track record has not proven itself very very good with the stuff so well your good looks get you by Craig
16:10 that's what it is I could yeah they'll have they'll have to trust you on this
16:16 one Werner you want to cast you yeah we're audio podcast yeah yeah yeah what
16:24 are some what are some of the things you're looking forward to well so next up is it's kind of like after we collect
16:30 all of our data right it's kind of delaying us yeah so we got so we got users without users either via single or double opt-in
16:37 which is double and double opt nil yeah yeah we get they got an email confirmation saying that yes you
16:43 submitted your email address to us please confirm that it exists right and B you really want to subscribe to two
16:51 news or information from us um everything's kind of falling that way we
16:56 double opt-in I don't based on privacy and all that stuff so yeah most of the most major email
17:04 services you know I think it's they have double opt I think you could turn it off in some right but you know a lot of it
17:09 is to all double opt in so then you know give the confirmation email the user has to click it and then you know it is kind
17:16 of a you know in interesting conundrum because there are people that would you
17:21 know that double opt-in email maybe goes to junk and then you never see it so you never click it so that describes you
17:27 know subscribers never on your list so there is a drawback to them but you know
17:32 it does it does clarify your list it does make people who are subscribed to
17:37 your list you know that they actually want to be there right so you know okay that is
17:45 that is something to be said about the developed in yeah it's it's a more
17:51 powerful more powerful users than you can reach right yeah so you know because they exactly yeah they explicitly went
17:57 out to look at that double opt-in email and click on the link so they went the extra step that you know some a lot of
18:03 people wouldn't do so yeah yeah our chance at conversion there because they're more targeted or a targeted
18:09 audience for you exactly yep so yeah let's talk about a psychical design because I know you have email and
18:16 I could you know certainly talk about how I use email yeah so so what do you know first you know well let me step
18:22 back and you know I've tried for years you know people I've wanted you know
18:28 need to build something that allows you to you know design an email and rapid eevr and you know I just kept thinking
18:34 that oh there there's so many other tools out there that can do that you know and I've tried so many of them
18:40 including like you know one called read and responsive email designer I think it
18:45 was and that wouldn't like I was so hooked on that like I thought that was going to be the thing when I saw it I
18:51 was like yes finally I don't have to build anything this is gonna be it and it was just a the biggest letdown ever
18:57 and you know I tried all the all those ones on the app store and they just all
19:04 fell short you know now I do have to say that you know there are you know designers inside you know Cindy or
19:09 MailChimp like they all have their their own email designer thing you know built
19:14 into the email provider into the service and they're okay you know you know some
19:21 of them can do more than others some are just you know glorified you know you know word processors where you can you
19:27 know add an image and text and whatnot but some are more fancy but what Greg's
19:34 getting to I released last year you know I released my email stacks for rapidweaver so you can you know build
19:40 out you know drag-and-drop email directly inside rapidweaver so that's really cool you know you know you can go
19:47 to email stacks calm and check that out you know I don't want to dive into it go fleet sales pitch on it but it is nice
19:53 you know Basie you export you know to an HTML and you just copy it and paste it
19:58 into your email service and you're good to go you know so I think I I mean getting so much feedback from users that
20:05 are just in love with the new you know stacks that I'm really happy that I did
20:10 it and for myself as well because I I really wanted a better way to design email as well like a lot of times I felt
20:17 like I wasn't sending out email even for my launches sometimes purely because it
20:23 was wasn't any fun making an email you know so I ever since I released the
20:29 email I have sent out a couple more emails but I I could do even better than that
20:34 so yeah definitely you know designing you know emails with with my you know
20:40 stacks for app weaver or awesome but you know you don't need those I should say you know you could just use the editors
20:46 that come with your email service provider but if you definitely want some some extra power and some oomph you know
20:53 check out my email stacks they're pretty cool what are your thoughts Gregg no yeah cuz um here's how his are actually
21:00 how I built it is I take a new rapidweaver project and the home page of
21:07 my wrap we have a project built with four emails right is the overall
21:13 template that I use and I designed I designed you know the header the footer
21:19 every you know basically the basic content of everything and then when I actually go to send an email is I'll
21:26 duplicate that home page and then I'll name that page the date and like the
21:33 subject of the email okay alright so and then I'll you know change all the
21:39 content to to whatever that's about and and you know basically use that save
21:46 that project and then the next one I send out I just go back into it duplicate the home page again
21:52 mm-hm and now I have one project that has all the newsletters that I've ever
21:57 sent out and I had the one home page there that's my starting point so I'm
22:03 never starting for scratch again I'm starting from a you know what if I have to fix anything I
22:09 make edits to it I just go into the homepage change you know whatever I need to and I'll have that for all the future
22:17 revisions that I do okay cool yeah I think that's gonna work for I like that sweet yeah makes it makes it makes my
22:24 life a little easier because you know cuz you have to warehouse your images to form the newsletters mm-hmm so you know
22:32 like the header and the footer the right logo right is warehoused in one spot yeah and I just duplicate that and I
22:39 have it already don't need to change everything again sweet yeah cool so next up was um what
22:48 was next up I was going to talk about sending list segmentation yeah yeah it's
22:54 all it's all together I guess I mean truly about yeah getting your email getting an email off your computer off
23:00 or whatever and into the users inbox right yeah so you know we had under that
23:07 category it's kind of list segmentation trip the actual delivery and act what
23:14 happens after you know after hit send it potentially comes back to you and you know what that means yeah so you know
23:24 after so what kind of things can you do with an email list you can break that email us into sub lists and this isn't
23:31 called segmentation right so you know Joe collects emails based on the products that people Asolo so you know
23:38 you can break all all the sales that he has and break that list up into smaller lists based on people who purchased
23:45 email based on people who purchased foundation so that when he goes to target the user is he can target a
23:53 specific group of users or you know so his campaigns can be more effective or
23:59 he can say you know target group a sub
24:04 group and subgroup B and see which one performs better you can target those kind of things and send out different
24:10 messages yeah any comments Joe I don't know if you do I think Eggman tation I
24:18 mean if if people are in the marketing world and looking at all that like the the new hipster term for that is funnels right
24:25 so you know things called click funnels all it is is just a fancy term marketing
24:31 term for a list that's all it is and it's a way of segment you know segmenting your list into different
24:37 groups right and then basically you target that particular group with it with an email right so let's say for
24:42 instance you know like I said earlier I was sending emails to all people that bought foundation right well that is a
24:49 funnel right so that funnel the definition of that funnel is people that
24:55 have purchased foundation right so when they go in that funnel okay they get right now they only get one email but
25:01 you could make it trigger an autoresponder sequence of 20 emails if you want or whatever right and then you
25:07 could basically say the first email goes out immediately the second email goes out three days later or whatever right
25:14 so you know that's kind of what you know what autoresponders are in terms of
25:19 hipster terms right it's just a it's a funnel right but all those funnels are is just a list that's all is endless
25:24 segments which is taking your bigger list and breaking it down you know by some sort of categorization whether or
25:30 not it's country or gender or age or products that's purchased or you know
25:38 anything like that is basically you know a funnel right um you know one thing I
25:43 well as you were talking great that jumped in my mind during design that we should have mentioned is you know you
25:49 need to make sure you have an unsubscribe link at the bottom of your email yeah yeah I'm pretty sure that's
25:55 kind of laws globally you have to have that nice end out an email to a small segment of users last year for the
26:02 conference and I forgot to put an unsubscribe link at the bottom because I
26:07 just typed this email out quickly by hand it was just a text email like I didn't even it was like a marketing email and and it was only to like 40
26:15 people but for some reason like because I didn't have an unsubscribe link I come people but just went bananas like it was
26:20 they went bananas they went off on me because I didn't have an unsubscribe link in the email Wow
26:26 yeah so make sure you have those unsubscribe links every one that's yeah it's can spam
26:31 the regulation but yeah something like that yes yes yeah
26:37 clutter has a lot of trouble it's the out of work so yeah I mean segmenting your list is is simple and we I think
26:44 we've we've talked off about autoresponders long enough I don't think I think we've kind of covered that segment right yeah yeah I know I mean it
26:51 to me autoresponders are like a very
26:56 exciting very exciting now you know one thing that I that I struggle with is the
27:03 frequency in which emails get sent you know like you know I've I'm I'm a part
27:08 of a couple bike business groups and some of the people you know I've joined the email lists of people in that group
27:14 so that I can you know get to know their business and I can give better feedback to them and whatnot and stuff so on and so forth but you know there are a few
27:21 people in the group that send out like you know one to two emails every day to their lists and you know I mean I don't
27:32 know about that like III don't know I as a user like I don't appreciate that I
27:37 don't but it doesn't work like I I can't imagine that working because at that point if you're sending out that much
27:43 email it just has to just go straight to spam no what do you think right that'd
27:48 be my guess I mean if I was to design an email a drip campaign right now I'd
27:54 probably do one when you sign up the next day three days five days you know
28:00 seven days and then do like maybe ten days mm-hmm and kind of just like it's
28:08 kind of fast fast fast and slowly slowly gets slower and slower because you know
28:14 if they were if they were most likely gonna convert it's probably in that shorter reign mm-hmm but you know it's
28:21 diminishing returns right yeah you just don't want us to keep in that in that mindset buttoned up twice a day yeah I
28:29 mean I I'm a part of a tunnel list that if you look in my junk mail box it's like I'll have 50 emails from this one
28:35 guy or something like that that you know I was interested in and at one point but now it's just it's just overload you
28:41 know so I'm happy just to trash it off sounds desperate and sighs exactly yeah totally yeah okay and you can't you
28:49 can't necessarily create good nor compelling copy like at that kind of frequency you know yeah you know I I
28:56 personally I you know I'm I'm more involved you know I want to develop a relationship with my customers rather
29:02 than just uh you know like you know being the the guys on the Vegas strip with the cards you know which is kind of
29:08 like you know that thing where it's just like just throwing stuff out there you know um you know and spamming people I
29:13 just I I see it's a negative effect but on the flip side what I'm doing now is
29:18 also negative where I'm not sending out enough right where I'm not keeping in contact with them and in establishing
29:24 and maintaining that relationship I think is important so yeah I hear ya I'm
29:29 very bad with it oh so it's a I'm just we're we're just two guys here just kind
29:34 of coulda woulda shoulda you know just up or we're publicizing
29:40 our deficiencies so bad we're airing out all the dirty laundry oh man you know I
29:46 hope users appreciate that maybe maybe we'll finally get our get our acts
29:51 together so I'm doing better humans too
29:57 like you know okay so I guess after so you hit Send right your email goes out
30:04 yep it's the users inbox what happens right we got unsubscribes
30:12 bounces and tracking all right the three
30:18 things so if the if it bounced back you have to make sure you handle that and make sure your mail software handles
30:24 that most most all do if they don't I
30:29 don't know don't use them because you it basically will take take that email out
30:35 of your list so you're not constantly trying to send you an email bounced what happens over time is if that email
30:41 becomes inactive it'll actually become what's called like a honeypot so you
30:46 know if if an email was used to be valid and now stops becoming valid it'll stay active just to catch spam and note and
30:54 find new spam so if the email bounces you want to get
30:59 out of your list if you've let the unsubscribe you definitely want to take them out of your list they're not
31:05 interested in your products anymore so make sure you handle that again most almost all these software packages do no
31:12 matter what you use no matter what company just again as Joe mentioned be
31:17 sure to put that unsubscribe link in your email that's why that's what I do with mine on my homepage is I have it at
31:25 the bottom there and I have it in in the code required for Cindy so Cindy automatically populates it for me
31:31 which is really great because um I'm never I never have to worry about it it's just a little bit of short code
31:38 that you have to add and it just works so that's great and then almost you know
31:44 the most interesting part after sending out the email is just the tracking and seeing it opens it how often they open
31:49 it if they actually click a link and seeing all those seeing it results of your work basically it's like you know I
31:56 just said in my email I was you know did it work and hopefully for for all
32:02 our sakes it works but in yeah that's that's that's the process any comments
32:08 Joe no I I think I think I mean that's pretty straightforward stuff I think I think yeah you nailed it yeah thanks
32:15 yeah I'm hoping I'm hoping to get to get better about this because it's just a
32:23 it's part of a larger goal that I have for communicate you know and I think you share that tip kind of like what you've
32:30 kind of said just make any users aware that hey I'm here you know I'm here to
32:36 help you and you know it's not just if not just a pretty face I'm just I'm not
32:43 a pretty face but you get ego Mifflin's yes he is so yeah I'm just trying to get
32:52 better about communicating yeah you know I you know I've said as many times where it's like you know people do business
32:59 with other people you know and the more that you can you know be visible to your
33:06 to your customers and interact with them in a personal way I think the better right for
33:12 everybody not just for us but for them as well right because they feel like they get more personal help by you know
33:22 having a relationship other than just sending an email to support at some big company comm well obviously that's
33:30 important you know I have support email you have support email you know but building that relationship is important
33:36 you know whether it be on a community and email and social media it's kind of the big picture thing right you can't
33:42 just have you can't do just email right you can't just do social media you kind of got to be in all that stuff I think
33:49 you know so yeah I I think we're we're we are written about out of time here
33:56 Greg so that went by fast that went by really quick yeah I think we're getting
34:01 pretty good at this I'm liking it we rose we rose we're getting pro man what can I say so I hope you guys enjoyed
34:09 this episode on email right and I hope you check out Greg service and I hope
34:16 you learned some new tips if you're using some other existing service on and you know how to help out and improve
34:22 your email so you know anybody's helping getting started with it migrating over you know just reach out because you know
34:29 as Jeff said we're we're people here we're here to help and it's what we like to do you know one thing I never we
34:35 haven't done yet this is episode 3 ok we got to do like the whole Greg how do people reach you you know that sort of
34:41 thing you know like like we haven't done that so Greg how do people reach you you
34:47 can find me chili dogs software.com chili dark hosting duck on the rapidweaver forms you can find me on
34:53 twitter you can send me an e-mail to you i don't know if i want to put that out
34:59 there so i get spam now you can do you can reach me at support at chili dogs
35:06 offer com2 arts support a chili dog host intercom you know if you wanted to reach
35:12 out say hi that's fine too I'm more than happy if you want me to review your stuff and give you it give you advice
35:19 know pressure no nothing I'm more than happy to sweet and you can find me Jill
35:26 workman basically everywhere Twitter Instagram YouTube you name it
35:31 check me out on Weaver's dot space that is our online community go there
35:36 converse I'm there Greg's they're a bunch thousands of other people are there and were awesome and check us out
35:44 on Weaver radio calm okay right now that just Ford's over to Weaver space community page but pretty soon we will
35:50 have a amazing website built with rapidweaver and guys well yeah hopefully by the time
35:59 this is live that awfully hopefully we'll see we'll see so anyway guys we will see you next week
36:05 I hope you've enjoyed the first three episodes so far leave us feedback over on the community on the Weaver raver
36:11 Weaver radio community over on Weaver space wow I'm gonna have to practice that one ten
36:16 times fast okay guys we'll take care take care of Greg YouTube Cheers all
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