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Its been a while... Let's hangout!

04/15/2026

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00:05 I think I know why. It's because I I use the the normal hangout URL and I I was lazy. I didn't create a

00:12 special Zoom meeting just for this one. And um yeah, there we go.

00:17 I don't know why it's cuz I I used the the normal hangout and now it opened it somewhere.

00:23 Lazy. I didn't create a special zoom. Throw everybody out. There we go.

00:29 Okay, there we go. At least we're live on YouTube on a different link, but oh well, people will live.

00:35 Okay. Uh, what were we chatting about? I forget what we were chatting about. Um, white versus green buttons.

00:42 Oh, yeah. White versus green buttons.

00:48 Hey, I've been using that coypist. Oh, yeah. It's pretty cool.

00:55 Oh, really? Yeah, that one looks really cool. I'm uh I've been impressed with it. And uh I got the um I did get Voice

01:04 Dash on AppSumo and I I returned it because Blip AI

01:09 Mhm. called Blip. Yeah, Blip AI has way more features and I think it was a little bit

01:15 cheaper. But yeah, just for anybody that doesn't know, Blip AI, you set a hotkey and you can just set the hotkey and just

01:22 start talking and you can do the ums and the and the whatevers and it will then

01:28 use AI to format it into really nice text for you. Nice. Um, but you can also do like hey blip

01:35 kind of like a hey lady, you know, thing and it will do its own kind of um AI

01:40 stuff. I haven't gotten into that but the the normal stuff is cool if anyone doesn't know. So Chris is

01:46 talking about an app that is I posted a YouTube video yesterday or day before yesterday that was like uh you know some

01:52 really cool free Mac apps. I think some of them weren't they weren't all free but there's some coypist was

01:58 looks pretty cool. I haven't downloaded for now. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, yep. I would say, you know

02:05 what, I I I was talking to Chris, told the told Chris this the other day, uh, after I posted that is like there's a

02:11 lot of those apps are really cool and, um, I I both love and hate that a lot of

02:18 them are free. Yeah. Um, because it I think it just devalues

02:24 software, you know. Um, it really does. And, um, it makes being a software

02:29 developer hard. Because everyone's like, "What? $20? What are the hell are you talking

02:35 about?" Like I'm like, "Do you know it took me like three months to make that like or four months or whatever?" Like

02:40 like release a pro release there, Joel. And you charge the amount of everything

02:47 that you spent. Yeah. World, we released code for call centers

02:54 that we gave away to people for free. And then when they figured out that um

03:01 their routing was much better and we could do this and all kinds of lookout ups and they wanted customizations, we

03:07 came up with pro version that cost like $40 a seat or something.

03:12 Yep. But old days

03:22 I posted a link to it and you can see the pricing which is Oh. Oh. Did he post price scene for it?

03:28 No, the it's the um casual free and then plus is the question marks and the pros

03:33 question marks all coming soon. Okay, it's free for now, but I have a

03:40 feeling that in so this is I think this is the same guy that creates the timing app.

03:45 Okay. Um and uh so Timine moved to a

03:50 subscription model and I no longer use it because of that. Um, and so I'm if if

03:57 he has a pricing coming soon. Oh, yeah. It already says per month there. Yeah. So, Yep.

04:06 It's just now I I may maybe he has infrastructure costs that require that, but like you

04:12 know I and and maybe that that's justifiable. Um I I don't like for

04:19 example um I use an app called Typonator um on on my Mac been I've used it for

04:26 forever. I can't even forever and um it's you know like a a text expander

04:32 type app. Um I I enjoy it more than text expander. It's fast. It's responsive. He

04:37 just released version 10 and it's subscription and um I I didn't upgrade

04:44 because I'm like that app doesn't require any sort of subscription. There's no I understand like if if you

04:50 have some sort of backend infrastructure that you know requires some ongoing thing that makes sense otherwise if I

04:57 install the app and it it runs on my machine um I it shouldn't be a

05:02 subscription right I it just I don't I don't see that right it's like you know if I if I buy a drill for my tool shop

05:10 I'm not going to be spending $5 a month to use my drill like no like you know I

05:15 I buy the drill it's a tool you this. If you look at the homepage under the

05:20 features, it says your Mac, your data works offline. All processing happens locally. Your words never leave your

05:27 device. Yes, I I did some research. It uses like the some new some new uh you know uh AI

05:33 Apple framework now. Um that's supposedly really freaking awesome. Um which is interesting. But yeah, it's all

05:39 on device. Exactly. Exa Exactly. Right. Um, so anyway, yeah, I'll get off my my

05:48 soap box there. Well, to make you guys feel better, hopefully that that makes you feel like, you know, I'm not going to be charging,

05:54 you know, you know, a subscription for uh stacks anytime soon, right? So, cuz I

06:00 I think it's just wrong like so, um, a few moment and maybe that's why I'm not a gazillionaire. Who knows, right? But

06:06 yeah, but you haven't got the bills for the car repairs in yet. Yeah, exactly.

06:11 I just say your car repair Everyone move to better site host. Huh? If you're not on better site host, there you go. There's my subscription. But see, that's

06:18 valid because it's I'm it's I actually have ongoing costs for that, right? You know,

06:23 it's Everybody does. Yeah. So, anyway,

06:29 I know a lot of you do already have better psychos. So, hope you guys all love it. I've actually signed up. I haven't

06:34 actually started because it's all right if I put money on it until I start using it.

06:41 Yep. I could just sort of add to the the kitty until I Exactly. Yep. Yep. Five bucks for the

06:46 first month. Five bucks. Pretty good. Yeah. Because my one runs out in

06:51 November, but I thought I was going to start putting some money on it, saving up and start slowly moving across a

06:57 month before sort of thing. Sweet.

07:03 Yeah. weird. I've got um Scott's little PDF on how to

07:10 set everything up. Anyway,

07:15 so a shoot. It's on my laptop. I've heard this story before.

07:21 No, it it really is. It's on my laptop in the rental in my in my I uh I I did

07:28 some while I was at the hotel, I was playing around with a new version of Seams. Um and uh yeah, I got some cool

07:35 ideas. May maybe I'll show it off on Friday. Um I'm not going to try to go to the car and I'm not going to do that. So

07:42 um but yeah, maybe if you guys show up to hangout on Friday, maybe I'll show off some some stuff. I was playing with seams. Um yeah, I think it'll be pretty

07:50 cool. It'll be a nice update, a big big overhaul of it, the architecture of it. I've done some pretty cool stuff, too.

07:57 Yes, you have. Yeah, you have been. I have been. I've been busy being

08:02 I'll show that off in credit. Sweet. Anyone have any uh cool questions or stuff that

08:09 we can help out with? I got a question. Sure. So uh playing with offsite

08:17 and I created uh kind of like you show off with the like doing an admin page using using

08:24 offsite uh where you you have a the menu on the left you know left column and then the

08:30 you just swap out the pages in the middle. Yeah. So when you do a when you do a

08:36 refresh on that page, it goes back to

08:41 the main page. The main page. Is there any way to keep it to get it to stay?

08:46 Nope. No. Nope. Yeah. That's that's the downside of an architecture like that.

08:52 Yeah. Yeah. So when you're ad on the Total CMS3

08:58 admin pages, those aren't offsite. They're not using offsite. Nope. They're not

09:05 not using an iframe. Nope. Okay. Um Yeah, it's not using an iframe. Sorry.

09:11 Yeah. Um if you're using the admin embed stack, it actually uses an I frame

09:16 inside preview. Okay. But once you publish, it does a

09:21 redirect and it redirects you to the actual page. So that's if if you're wondering, you

09:27 know, how that all work, that's how that works. um in preview it uses the iframe

09:32 just to make things simpler so that you don't have to you know pre otherwise without that approach you'd have to preview in the browser um and then you

09:40 know go to that long funky URL um so yeah I made that kind of pretty user

09:45 friendly where it inside edit inside preview it I frames to that you know URL

09:50 that's embedded but then um yeah once you preview or once you publish instead

09:56 of showing it in an iframe it redirects So if you go to slashadmin, it'll redirect to RW comment plug-in stacks

10:03 TCMS.

10:09 Before Steve interrupted with something really useful, I wanted to follow up on that previous silly strain and suggest

10:15 that I've got a thousand line twig code chunk of stuff that I'm not ready to show either.

10:27 Nice.

10:33 That that um playground thing gets kind of cludgy when you get kind of big there, Joe.

10:42 Oh. Oh, yeah. How so? Well, if if you're sort of at line 500

10:47 and you want to try to introduce a few more phrases, it just, you know, I don't type really fast, but it can't keep up

10:53 with even one finger pause. One finger pause. It's it's what uh what do you what do you mean it

11:00 can't keep up? I mean if I type in a stamp term like from it's f r o m already typed and then

11:07 I sit back and see f r oh really

11:12 yeah. Oh interesting. Yeah I I you know like the the rendering

11:17 whatever is every bit as fast as I would expect but the actual data manipulation changes editing is

11:24 Oh interesting. Okay, that's something I can I can test if you want to send me like, hey, here's the twig that I I was

11:30 using and if I just paste that in preview um and or paste that in my playground, I can then play around with

11:37 it. Alth although that may it should it should it should it should work. Yeah, send me that. That that'd be

11:43 interesting. And I'll I'll paste it in playground and have a have a gander. Where do I send it?

11:48 Uh just support. It's fine. Yep. Okay. No, done.

11:54 Sweet. Joe, uh, did you get my uh read my

11:59 message, my PM on I I did um uh I I just replied to you

12:05 right before we started. Although um yeah, I I didn't I didn't I haven't looked into everything yet. I've only

12:10 been like working for 45 minutes today. So um yeah. Um

12:16 did you set up the style text? Yeah, I was just wondering if uh yeah, in this you you were saying that the style text

12:23 toolbar settings don't work when it's inside of a deck. Um I've set it up globally for all style

12:29 text, but the deck doesn't only shows the standard uh icon. Oh, really? Okay.

12:35 Yeah. What if you were to try to add it to the settings for that deck?

12:41 I would have to try that. Yeah, give that a shot. If you could try that, let me know. That'd be great.

12:47 Um And in terms of form grid for the deck. Yeah. Yeah.

12:52 I not possible obviously. Um I I'm going off memory. I think I I did it

13:00 I I don't use it on purpose, but with that said, I I did log it as a let me

13:06 investigate this to see I forget why it's like that or if if on purpose I

13:11 ignore it. I I don't remember why why I didn't do it. I remember something about form grid

13:17 and deck. I don't remember exactly why I decided to go the route I did, but I I

13:22 made a note to myself to look into that. I think it would be cool if if form grid worked. I think that that would be cool

13:29 since every other things are looking great and only the decks are looking rubbish.

13:35 Buttons and buttons and Yeah. Yeah. You can't Yeah, you can't lay it out. I can agree. It would be a

13:41 nice thing. So I I logged a request for myself to look into that to see if I if I can make form grid work. I think it

13:47 would be cool. I do agree. Okay. And I have a look at the and then your duplicate thing. Um yeah,

13:53 I I haven't had time to replicate it yet, but I filed a bug. If if if I can replicate

13:58 it, I'll fix it. Okay. Thanks. Thanks, Joe. Okay. I I assume if you save that

14:05 and then and then refresh the page, everything's okay. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Okay. But yeah, I agree.

14:11 It's a bug. I'll look into it. And then you your second one. I haven't even looked at that one yet. Uh, no chance to

14:19 move them to the bottom. Um, not sure.

14:24 Save and delete. You have a save and delete button above one of the above the deck you see

14:31 there. Yeah. Is that because uh you don't have them in form grid or or what what is

14:37 that? In the second screenshot, you see I have uh the deck in in the form grid.

14:45 Um it's anot. Yes.

14:50 Yeah, it's there, but the save and delete buttons are above it. I don't know what to do.

14:56 Oh, that's weird. Yeah, if you need the

15:03 uh log into the admin area, I can post it to edit. Yeah, send it to me. I can

15:08 have I can have a look. That's okay. I'm not sure why that would happen. Sure, send me that.

15:14 Maybe send it to support email so that um sometimes DMs are easy for me to

15:19 forget because they're um like I'll look at them and be like,

15:24 "Oh, cool. I'll look into that." But then I, you know, a day goes later and if but if you send an email to support,

15:31 it's like always in my support inbox. So, yeah. And then I won't forget.

15:36 So, thank you. Yeah, Joe, I'm going to start sending you tons of emails. All right.

15:43 Actually, I do have to say like it was about two weeks ago I found um I had a rule in my Zenesk that found that was

15:50 stopping like for a while I was getting like Asian and Russian bots like submitting like thousands of tickets

15:57 like support emails to me. And um I created a rule that suppressed all of

16:03 them. But that rule was actually suppressing valid tickets. Um and I

16:09 realized that I don't not many but too many tickets were getting uh deleted

16:15 and never actually I I never even saw them. So um yeah, I don't know how long

16:20 that had has been happening, but I deleted that that rule since I I don't get spammed by the Russian and Chinese

16:26 anymore. Um at least for now. And uh my the number of tickets I have in my

16:32 support inbox has been growing. So, I'm I feel bad now, but I bet you a lot of people sent me an email and I never

16:38 responded because I never knew they sent me an email. Um, darn it. Damn spammers.

16:45 Why do people even do that? It's just like there's no no reason. Like, whatever, dude. I have um I have a couple forms on

16:54 a couple websites. They get hit hard still. Yeah. I I don't know what it is

17:00 specifically about these websites in these specific forms, but my god, I'm

17:06 just And it's the dumbest things. It's like, hello. Yeah, it's like

17:13 it's it's not even an advertisement. It's just Yeah, I need information.

17:18 I found you in my address book, but I'm not sure who you are. Yeah, stupid.

17:24 Yeah. Oh, that reminds me. I got to talk to Scott this week. Apparently my my

17:29 form my that spam guard that I have in Foundation 6 forms doesn't work good

17:34 with robo send or something like that. Um, not sure what was going on there, but

17:50 Joe, could you uh could you walk us through uh using the connections? um

17:59 specifically like a I want to use a um

18:07 a list of uh a list of sub clubs and use that for

18:15 my member list and I I couldn't get it to work. Um so I couldn't connect one

18:20 collection to another collection. Couldn't make the relation work.

18:26 Okay. Um, can you share your screen so we can see what what you have now?

18:32 Yeah, I just um I wasn't planning on this today, so I'm not

18:39 really set up properly, but uh see what we can do here.

18:47 Um, yeah. So, I've got

18:57 Let me see. I guess we got to go here, right? Uh, yes.

19:03 Leave the page. So, here's my here's my membership list.

19:09 Mhm. And

19:15 here's my user groups. Okay.

19:20 and that user groups you want that to pull in from a different collection.

19:25 Yeah. So I put Okay. So you don't want property, you don't want property options. What you want is relational options.

19:33 So um so if you go go to the docs, click on search docs. See there's a link

19:39 right there uh in the bottom right corner called search docs. Oh yeah. Okay.

19:45 Right. Click on that. Okay. Perfect. Okay. And then uh search for relational.

19:52 There you go. Click on the first one. Perfect. And you can copy that snippet

19:57 right there. There's a copy button at the top right corner of the box.

20:03 Perfect. Let's go to your other tab.

20:09 Okay. And just uh delete. Yep. Delete everything there and paste it. Perfect. Okay. So um what here now what we're

20:17 going to do is so um what do you know the collection the name of the collection that you want to refer uh

20:23 these groups from? Um yeah uh it's called groups.

20:29 Okay. So put the collection is called groups. I think it's called groups. We can we can we'll put in groups and we

20:36 can verify after. So groups and then um the label. Do you know what the the lab the what you want to

20:42 I think the label is just title. Okay. So, let's go ahead and close this and save this and then we can verify that if

20:48 you want

20:56 to help you. Every once in a while this happens where

21:02 we get the spinning blue wheel of patience.

21:10 Is this local or is it online? If you don't close it online

21:15 typically means that something was wrong in the schema if it's going on forever and ever.

21:21 Okay. Interesting. Oh, there we go. Oh, actually saved. Bizarre.

21:30 Okay. So now, uh, so let's go to your group schema just to verify that it was title and

21:35 Yeah. Oh, so it is title. Perfect. Okay. So, now let's go check out your membership form and uh in the collection.

21:44 So, now if we go to your collection. Okay. So, here's my member list.

21:51 Mhm. And just

21:56 Whoa. Uhoh. So, it didn't like that.

22:04 Uh exception argument on string must be type array given

22:10 line 60. Really interesting.

22:21 Uh can you click back? Can you go to uh click on new object?

22:26 The new object form. Same thing.

22:32 So, what did they do wrong here? Can we go to um couple things? First

22:38 off, let's go to the uh cache manager

22:44 in utilities and let's just clear a cache and let's see if that maybe there was something funky there. Let's go back

22:50 and see if that error still exists.

22:59 Yep, same. Okay. Uh I guess we can go go and revert that uh change that we made.

23:05 Let's see. I can't I don't think that how that would affect anything, but maybe. Let's see. That was in uh that was in

23:11 the groups, right? Yep. Uh schema. Go to the schema. Oh, the schema. Sorry.

23:19 Membership. Yeah. Go to membership.

23:24 And let's scroll down to where is it? Groups. User groups. Oh, one. Oh, okay. Uh, I I

23:34 didn't. So, user groups, right? Now, you have it set to be a text field. Okay. Text fields don't support relational

23:40 options. Okay. So, what you're going to want to do is um you're going to do uh

23:46 now how is something going to have multiple groups or just one? No, multiple.

23:51 Okay. So, type of data. Let's set it to be a list

23:59 or yeah, list. There we go. And then form field do a list as well.

24:07 Um, it is uh down down right there. Yeah. Okay, let's save that. Yeah, I I tried I

24:14 tried the I tried this field here with the uh multiple check box multi multiple

24:20 check boxes and All right, let's try list. That didn't work. So, let's see.

24:27 Hey, let's save that.

24:37 Got something anywhere in there, right?

24:55 Is this site running on better site host? Yeah. Oh, interesting.

25:01 We can look at that. Okay, let's go check out your collection again. Your members your membership

25:08 collection.

25:17 I I think this is a thing where you had data saved and it's trying to um

25:26 you already had groups saved. Okay. Um so uh the the problem is is is we we've

25:33 changed the type of data that that groups is. It was a you had it saved as

25:39 a string um and now it is a um uh an

25:45 array. Okay. So um so that's the problem. Okay. Um

25:52 how do we fix that? Okay. The probably the quickest way to fix this is to um export that collection

26:00 to a CSV. Yeah. And then reimpport it.

26:08 Okay, I think that should work. We'll give that a go. Okay. Yeah. So, just export it and then

26:16 um it'll it'll probably export it as a comma delimited list for that field. And actually, I think you should be able to

26:22 just not make any modifications. This is my guess. Um just make no modifications,

26:28 reimpport it right away, and it should automatically fix everything, I think.

26:47 Hello on here.

26:57 I'll I'll work on this after. Okay, no problem. I want to hang everybody up here.

27:03 Here's

27:16 something interesting I'll I'll share with you guys that I was working on last week. Um, let me get it reset up. I I

27:23 haven't been in the office for quite a while. So, let me let me get it set up and I'll show it off.

27:41 Perfect.

27:49 All right. Um here

28:08 All

28:21 right. Uh let me share my screen here. All right. So um this is going to be something that's a part of total CMS

28:27 3.3. And um what it is is um so obviously if you

28:37 didn't know total CMS works um you know it'll work outside of anything

28:43 it's it will be it is a standalone product okay and I wanted to come up with a a good uh installation uh pathway

28:51 and this will actually improve I feel uh even for stacks users um how total CMS

28:58 can be installed and updated and all that stuff. Okay. Um, so right now I this folder is a website, okay, locally

29:06 and all it has is a uh a total CMS folder in there. This is just a zip file that you would download and plop on,

29:13 right? And then what we do is you would just go ahead and do um go to the website. So you go to

29:19 install.totalcms.tcms. So basically you'd go to the URL of that

29:24 similar to what I know some of you use site lock, right? So, you go there and we have a new like installation wizard,

29:30 okay? Which is kind of cool. And uh what's kind of exciting is the installation wizard. I've localized it

29:36 into all the languages as well. So, if you were to choose German, the entire setup wizard is all in German as well.

29:42 All right. So, it's first step, you choose your language. Um then we say get started. Uh and then it runs an

29:48 environment check. Says, hey, let me go ahead and check the the web server environment. Make sure you have all the various extensions and maybe some

29:54 optional ones. and it'll tell you whether or not anything fails, right? And you click continue.

30:01 Then you've probably all seen this. This is the the the data path configuration. So you choose where you want your TCMS

30:07 data folder to be and you click continue. Um and then um and before after that it would send you to the the

30:13 login form where the first login was created. I kind of did it right now. So you actually create so you type in your

30:19 email address and you confirm your password, right? So, I'll go ahead and uh put in my email address and then put

30:25 in a password. Um, sure. Update existing on this one. Update. Um, and then we say

30:32 create account. Okay. And

30:39 at this point, it's going ahead and creating everything. And then it says, "Hey, here's your your current license."

30:44 It looked up the license on the server and says, "Okay, hey, we're starting a trial." Um, and it tells you how many days you have remaining on your trial.

30:51 You click continue. Gives you a little overview on what version your data path kind of the overview overview of

30:57 everything we did. And you say go to dashboard and then obviously you got to log in now. So then we log in

31:08 and voila. So now I have a fresh install. Um that's the new installation wizard. You can go ahead and like you

31:14 know set up default collections or do whatever. Okay. Um, that's

31:25 thinking about it

31:39 sometime today browser. There it goes. So, it created all the default uh collections. So now if we go

31:47 to our collections view,

31:53 uh we have all of our collections and whatnot, right? Pretty cool. Um so um

31:58 while I think that installation wizard is is all nice, we got further, right?

32:04 So I installed it, but now um how are we going to update total CMS? Okay. So, um

32:10 we can now go to uh uh the settings and we can go down to there's a new update

32:16 manager and we can go to the update manager and we can see hey um I have

32:23 version 3.3. 3.24 is available. Okay, it 3.24 isn't available for all you guys

32:30 just I'm testing. Okay, just just Okay. Um so, uh so yeah. Hey, I see 3.24 24 is

32:38 available. Cool. I can update to 3.2.4. Let's go ahead and and update. And um

32:45 that should it should have prompted me to Oh man, there a bug now. Console

32:52 error. Has been suppressed as the active tab.

32:57 Wait, why did I do that? Generated a page suppressed because this page is not the active tab in the front window.

33:05 the hell. Oh, okay. H maybe I should stop using

33:11 that this and use my own little popup if browsers are going to start blocking it. That's [ __ ] All right. Anyway, so

33:17 it's going to say, "Hey, are you sure you want to uh update? Your CMS is going to be briefly unavailable during the

33:22 installation process." Click okay. And it's installing the update.

33:29 It's actually live. It's actually downloading the update from my server. Um, and it's installing it for me.

33:40 And we just sit here and we wait. Do not close the page. Boom. So, it's updated.

33:47 It's reloading. And voila. Now, I am on the latest version. So um so what what

33:54 that means for for a lot of you guys is um this does mean that we could you

34:00 could publish uh total CMS um and and as you know it's big right

34:07 it's like 7,000 files right um and I have to admit 3.3 is actually bigger

34:13 okay um cuz 3.3 actually has a lot more stuff that um I'll I can give you guys a

34:18 sneak peek in. Um, so 3.3 is even bigger and um, so having to publish that many

34:25 files all the time is kind of a pain in the butt, right? Um, so uh, this will

34:31 allow us to do updates uh, directly from the server. Okay. Um, so yeah, pretty

34:37 cool. Um, we can update the CMS directly um, on our server now. Um, so that'll be

34:43 coming in 3.3. Any questions or feedback? What do you guys think?

34:50 Yeah. Will that reflect Rapid Weaver at the moment as well? No, because this has nothing to do with

34:57 your stack. So, updating the stacks inside rapid weavers. Yeah, they're completely

35:03 same as normal. Yeah, it's it's all Yeah, still that's not going to change. You'll still check for updates there. Now I have to admit

35:09 there there will be something that I have to come up with is you what you know in

35:16 terms of the version that you have on your server versus the version of stacks you have installed you know um one of

35:24 the benefits of of always updating it via the stacks and then publishing is you can always by doing it that method

35:31 you can ensure that the version of stacks you have is always exactly the

35:36 same as the version that's on the server, right? Because you're you're publishing from the stacks, right? Um,

35:43 and if you're updating from the server and maybe I update the server, but you don't update your stacks and then you

35:49 publish and then maybe I added a feature at some point where the server um, you

35:56 know, you didn't update the server, but you updated your stacks and the stacks maybe uses some new feature and maybe

36:02 that won't work on your publish site because you didn't update the server, you know. Um,

36:08 that will be something I I don't know. Um, I haven't come up with a great workflow or from a support perspective

36:14 how I'm going to handle that, but um, it's definitely something I need to think about. Um, so yeah, if you have

36:21 any ideas, I'm open to ideas. Um, you know, someone already suggested maybe

36:26 for STAX users, we don't allow them to update from the server. Uh, and that is valid, but it kind of sucks because

36:33 yeah, publishing all those files is is a lot, right? And I understand that. So,

36:39 um anyway, um that's that. Any other questions

36:46 or feedback? No.

36:52 Okay. Um next things uh in 3.3 that I want um to work on is

37:01 I've already done some of it with the MCP server. If you guys saw um back in Easter, I uh on Easter Sunday actually,

37:08 I shipped a a new MCP server for Total CMS. Um and that's pretty cool. It'll

37:14 it'll integrate AI. Um there's a lot more work to do with AI though. And

37:21 part of that is um let me just or open up a new terminal window.

37:28 All right. If I go ahead and um

37:38 let me I'm going to go into this directory here. We're going to go into CD website. Oh, there it is. Okay, cool.

37:48 So, if I do um

37:58 Oh. All right, fix that. But let's do that.

38:04 Hey, there is now a an entire command line interface um to total CMS for

38:10 interacting with your Total CMS instance. Okay, now I understand that many of you here and a lot of a lot of

38:18 the users in the community are not terminal junkies. Um and that's okay. um

38:25 because uh I have built this term this terminal

38:30 command line interface into total CMS to uh work very well with AI. So um a lot

38:38 of this is so that AI knows how to interact and work with total CMS uh

38:44 through this command line interface um for you. Okay. Um, now I haven't fully

38:51 tested all of this yet, but there's some really cool stuff we could do here. I'll I'll show you a couple little things here. So, I could be like, um, what's

38:58 this? We do, let's just do like collection list. So, we'll just do collection list. And

39:04 voila. Look, it just lists out all my collections. And that's again everything that's in here. Okay. So, it's just a

39:12 way of querying um and getting data from um the CMS, right? And something that'll

39:20 be cool is we have like stuff like schemas. So like uh I can list all my schemas. I can get a specific schema. I

39:28 can export a schema and I can import a schema. Well, guess what? With all of that, that

39:35 means AI can help us generate schemas now because it can it can query it can

39:41 it can get a schema. If you want to let say, hey AI, I can we add this field to

39:46 the schema. I I need to add these five new fields. Well, guess what? It's going to be able to export that, make the

39:52 proper modifications, and import it. And the import process will validate that it actually did the right thing and it is

39:59 all correct. Right? So, this is this is going to be a way where again AI or

40:05 yourselves can go ahead and interact um with total CMS and your data um in an

40:12 automated fashion. Okay. Um, so yeah, really really cool stuff. Um,

40:19 here, uh, really excited about that. Um, any questions on this? Uh, I I'm not going to dive into all the various

40:25 commands and whatnot. As you see, there's stuff like you can actually update your CMS instance via the terminal. So, there's a lot of stuff in

40:31 here. Okay. Um, one other thing I I'll I'll mention is uh, which is the next

40:37 big thing that I've worked on is there's these two commands called push and pull.

40:43 Okay. um which are pretty cool. And what this what this allows us will allow us to do

40:49 okay is one workflow that we that a lot of us as

40:55 we're using total CMS have is I have I'm working locally on you know designing

41:01 and testing and creating and creating schemas and creating templates and all that jazz right but then when I publish

41:08 my site online um I I need to get all those schemas that I created on my local instance

41:15 on a production server, right? And and that's possible. Now, you can go

41:20 into your into your schemas here and you can actually, you know, um I don't have any custom schemas here, but you you

41:26 could go and you can export this schema and then you can go online and then you can import it. Totally possible. Okay.

41:35 But it would be really cool if we could automate that, right? um so that you can

41:40 work on stuff locally and you can be like hey okay I want to take all the changes that I have and push them up to

41:47 production okay so um the same principle as git where you push

41:53 up and pull down um yes there this doesn't have version control um it it is just kind of a push

41:59 and pull though so you can you can push and pull from um your uh production

42:05 server to this local server so um what you would do is inside uh settings

42:11 you would go into this there's new sync data settings you would put in the URL to your production server and then on

42:18 your production server you'd have to create an API key okay that gives um this access um so then you paste the API

42:26 key from your production server here and at that point these CLI tools uh will

42:32 will be able to do a push and a pull. Now you might be thinking that sounds really awesome Joe but again I am not a

42:39 terminal guy like like you know um that that sounds hard right so um for you uh

42:47 we go and we have a sync manager and um oh I don't have sync settings set up um

42:56 I forget what my prod server was um all right let's just go ahead and um I'll

43:02 put in some dummy data here Um, let's just do

43:07 let's just do that. Okay, API key. I'll just set up

43:13 something. I'm putting in dummy data in here. I think that will it's not going to actually verify it. I think it's just

43:19 going to let let it work. So, if we do sync manager now,

43:24 oh, there's there's no uh Okay, it actually queried uh well, there's no uh

43:30 templates. Oh, because I don't have anything custom. Um, let's go ahead and let's do uh let's add

43:39 some here. Um, let's just go to schema.

43:48 Actually, I think I had this set up in Hold on. Let me let me check out here. I think I had it set up here, maybe.

44:07 Let's see. Quick question. Uh, in the list of things you were you were showing off before uh of the action that you can do

44:15 from the terminal to total CMS, is that available also in the MCP server

44:20 or is it just a terminal thing? Um these so

44:27 yes and no. Um so uh the MCP will uh the MCP will know about the terminal

44:33 commands. Okay. However, the MCP right now already knows about all the REST

44:39 APIs and u so and it knows how to interact

44:44 with the REST APIs to do practically all of this already.

44:50 Okay. So, it's just this is just another method of doing it. Um, this would I

44:56 mean to use the terminal CLI um it you'd have to be running an agent on the

45:02 machine that that has total CMS. Does that make sense? Got it. Right. Yeah.

45:07 Okay. Um, so like you know on my machine I'm using Claude. Claude can run locally on

45:14 my machine and interact with the total CMS instances on my local machine.

45:23 Um, shoot, I forget. I I had a uh a demo of that sync and I obviously blew it

45:29 away at some point. Um, but essentially when this is configured, um, again, I

45:35 didn't plan on doing any of this. Um, sorry about that. But when this is configured, is this Yeah, it's on this one.

45:42 Um, it will show you uh, let's go back here. It'll show you like a list of all

45:48 your your schemas in here. Um, and what can be synced. Um, here, let's just I

45:55 want to show something. I'm going to export. Uh, no, I want this demo data. That's what I want.

46:05 I want demo data. I mean, a quick quick question. Um, does it only

46:11 sync the schemas um and um and not the data?

46:17 It does not sync content. No. Okay. Uh, it will only do schemas and templates right now.

46:22 Okay. Thanks. Okay. Uh, I don't want to cuz I I'm thinking if you're run if you're doing this locally, locally you will have like

46:28 maybe some test data and I don't want to override or you know data that you have

46:33 on the production server. So right now it it will only do schemas and templates.

46:39 Okay, thanks. Okay, thanks. I have set up transmit syncing for also the data between local.

46:46 Okay. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe eventually I right now I wanted to

46:51 start like simple, right? So um I didn't want to get into syncing of content.

46:57 Yeah. Okay, great. Okay. Um All right. So, let me go ahead and

47:03 I just load this in there. Open.

47:10 Let's see if this going to create us a little bit. Give us a little bit more stuff.

47:57 Come on.

48:04 Well, while that's important, let me see what else I done. Quick question while you're uh sure, Joe. Um, I don't have this as a

48:12 guaranteed issue yet, but I'm pretty sure that every time I do a republish

48:17 all with a new version of Turtle CMS 3, I lose a little page count snippet

48:23 thingy that uh keeps track of how many hits on the page. Is that a surprise?

48:30 Uh, how are you? What's What is the page count thingy that you that you use?

48:35 Uh, I'd have to go look at it. It's just a little PHP thing. I don't know if I got it from Scott or if it was floating

48:41 around. It's It just keeps a little text file on the uh on my My only thought is when you do a

48:47 republish all that text file gets blown away or overwritten.

48:52 It It's there, but it's reset to zero. If I Yeah, I mean total CMS obviously isn't

48:59 isn't changing it. So my guess is the stack or this whatever is is doing that.

49:05 Yeah. When you do a republish all it's it's yeah either obliterating that file

49:10 or or overwriting it with something that is stored in in the stack or locally or

49:16 something. I'm not sure. But I'll show you Friday or sometime. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good.

49:21 Thanks. Yeah. Why is this so slow? Oh, there it goes. Finally. All right. So, let's I

49:27 think we should now. Okay. Now, I have at least a custom schema here. Um, let's go ahead and let's go back into the

49:34 utility. Okay. So, now so at least it shows we

49:40 have a schema now. So, it'll kind of be similar to the

49:45 um access groups and API keys where you can like select. So, you'll be able to either select all or individually select

49:52 different schemas. And same thing for templates. If I had templates in here, um, actually, you know what? This I did

49:58 it. We go here. Ah, it's on this instance. That's where I was doing it. I just remembered. All

50:05 right. So, we go to sync. There we go. Okay. So, here's the view. Um, so you can either select all schemas or you can

50:11 go ahead and select individual schemas and individual templates and then you

50:16 can say push to production, right? and it'll take those and it'll

50:21 publish them up to your production server. Okay. Same thing is you can you can uh

50:27 you can pull from production as well. So you you can either say select all schemas and select all templates and say

50:34 pull from production or you can um yeah you can select certain ones and then say

50:39 pull from production and it'll pull just those down and it'll o it will overwrite

50:44 what you have locally. Um but yeah, it's a pretty nice thing to have, you know, this new push and pull um service.

50:52 So, um I I'll admit I haven't fully tested this out yet. I bu kind of built the interface and I did build the actual

50:59 backend for it, but I haven't fully tested it. So, I can't show you an end toend example of this working yet. Um

51:05 but yeah, um pretty cool. What do you guys think of that? So, is that list of schemas both your

51:11 local list and your production list? No, it is only local. So if you have a schema that exists on production, you

51:18 can't pull that down. You have to export it for right now. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is everything

51:23 that's local. Um because I'm I'm kind of thinking like

51:28 I mean it the workflow for this is is this is a development instance that I'm I'm running this on and production

51:34 production should never have anything that that local doesn't have, right? So that's kind of my thinking in terms of

51:40 workflow. Um, but yeah, if uh yeah, it maybe eventually I can think of

51:47 something like that if we have a valid use case. But I think for for for getting started, this is a pretty decent workflow.

51:53 I'm just saying I'm confused. Why do you want to pull from production if there's nothing there that I don't know if you if you

52:00 I don't I just felt like I if I had a push, I could have a pull, you know? I was like, maybe you did a one-off change

52:05 in production, you're like, oh yeah, I need to pull that down into into development. Right. So, absolutely. Yeah. I I think it's not as

52:12 common of a workflow, but I think that was a valid if I have a push, someone was gonna ask ask for pull. So, um

52:19 I could I could see if you were actually if you had a production and you wanted to create a a development section, you

52:27 would want to um pull it all, you know, pull it all down so that you can play

52:33 with it. Yes. And you can do that. You can actually do that now. So actually in uh if you go to the jump start data that's

52:39 all what jump start is okay if you e if you do an export jump start data it is

52:44 your entire it's like your entire CMS it is um all your schemas all your templates and all that stuff. So this

52:51 export jump start data is um is what that is. Okay. And actually that that

52:57 gives me a interesting point is there there is also

53:02 um here so in the CLI there is a collection export and you can export to

53:09 a zip file. Okay. How that could be cool is um let's say

53:15 you wanted to back up a collection on your server. You could you can create a

53:20 cron job that would do um here let's let's do it. Let's so if I did uh

53:26 collection uh export or actually forget the syntax

53:31 one second let me do help collection export uh is format. Okay. So if I do um

53:40 I do collection export um let's do my blog and then I do

53:47 d-formmat equals zip right so if I do that right

53:52 so now um so now here I have I now have a zip file

53:59 um that is my blog collection right so uh we we could you know nicely

54:06 do this. You you can you could set that up as a cron job um and you know back up

54:12 your collections to a zip file somewhere. So um yeah, that'll that's another you

54:18 know pretty cool use case that we have for uh for this.

54:24 Oh, another minor thing is the this TCMS terminal command. Um it's now if we go

54:32 to the job Q manager again this isn't anything that uh has been released yet. Okay. But um the the cron job has will

54:40 change it now it now uses the TCMS command. Okay that's built into the CMS.

54:46 However all existing cron jobs that you have that use the process jobs it's all backwards compatible. So um if you have

54:53 an existing cron job essentially it just it's it'll be like an alias to run this command. Okay. So uh but there there is

55:00 a new a new cron job um that just runs it tells it to run the jobs process.

55:06 Okay, that's just one of the CLI um things so we can process our jobs. Okay, so processing the job Q. So that's now

55:13 all been consolidated into this TCMS command uh which will be able to again as you see do all kinds of cool stuff.

55:29 So yeah, I think that's I think that's everything that I had to uh to kind of show off of of what's coming in the future uh for total CMS 3.3. Um I've

55:38 showed three three big things u the installation and the updates, the terminal command, um and then the sync

55:45 utility. Um, I have I have five more big things for the 3.3 list um that I'm

55:52 going to be pretty cool. Um, I won't link I won't leak them all right now, but there's

55:57 some pretty cool stuff. A lot of really cool AI stuff. I'm I really want to go all in on Total CMS working really

56:04 really well with AI so that we can build our websites and our content faster and better.

56:10 You know, I I would actually love maybe uh if I can get some time on Friday to

56:16 get on it. And are you going to be there this Friday? Yeah, I should be. Cuz you know, I've been using a lot the

56:23 MCP server you you uh you made. Mhm.

56:28 Right now, it seems it has access to the documentation, right? Yep. Uh so you can read the documentation,

56:34 know how to do stuff. Mhm. I did identify a couple of things that somehow even last night. What was

56:42 it? Uh oh,

56:47 it completely didn't know that you can actually inherit fields from uh another schema within a

56:55 schema. Oh, okay. Um I run into stuff like that. Do you

57:00 want me to take notes of this stuff? Cuz maybe please. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Okay.

57:06 Cuz my guess is that there's no mention of it in the documentation. We just, you

57:12 know, the feature is there. We know because we know. Yep. Right. Yeah. So, yeah, if you Yeah. If you find

57:18 stuff like that, let me know and I'll definitely I I want I want this to be like really good. Like I want the AI

57:25 integration to be like very fullfeatured. So, uh, yeah, if you find anything like, hey, I I know

57:30 this is a feature, but AI didn't really couldn't really do it, you let me know and and I'll make sure that's better.

57:37 Just to tell people what I'm doing with that stuff and and what you also can do it if you want to. Uh, I I'm using

57:45 Claude, right? So, I created um I mean, I'm not sure everybody is familiar with Claude, but in Claude, you

57:52 can create skills, right? I mean which is a skill is nothing else than a

57:57 markdown file and where you explain the AI uh goals method how to do it blah

58:04 blah blah so on and so forth right so I I created a skill to generate

58:10 schemas right I gave it access to to the MCP server uh obviously

58:17 I mean I gave I gave it a lot of instructions on how to process what I'm going to ask her because my goal is this

58:24 is my client, right? There's a planning stage where uh we go through his entire

58:30 on boarding and all the information we have for him and there's this planning tool that allows me to plan the

58:36 collections uh you know see if there's some uh relational options or some you know the

58:44 some connection that has to be done between those collection plan it all out and then the skill comes in and actually

58:51 develops that schema right and it's awesome Like last night I I I got the

58:58 entire thing ready and uh I tried with one right the our latest client just

59:04 fitted the on boarding form that they usually fill where they explain their business and stuff and uh it just went

59:12 through it and you know in a quite I mean with cloud it's not instantaneous

59:17 because it does process a lot of stuff but it's doing it right it came out and

59:22 then I also like programmed cloud to have a very good project structure. So there's the uh you know media from the

59:30 project output key outputs and memory. Uh so it's very well done. It took me a

59:36 long time to put it together, but I mean it's great. Like a few minutes and it

59:42 worked for I don't know it worked for 15 minutes, something like that. And I got an output of all the schemas that I

59:49 would need for that project, including SEO, FAQs, you know, testimonials, you

59:56 know, everything. Just thought about everything and made it. And I just had to, you know, select all

60:02 drag and drop. Amazing.

60:07 So that's what you can do with those MCP server that that um Joe is talking

60:12 about. Right now it's limited. You just have access to the documentation though, right?

60:18 So next next level of MCP is so right now the MCP server is it's a centralized

60:24 completely wide open public MCP that is as as you said it just describes what

60:30 total CMS can do. It has access to the documentation. Okay. All right. Next level MCP is that your total

60:39 CMS instance will be your MCP server. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

60:46 Okay. So that so th this way um Claude or whatever AI can connect to your total

60:54 CMS instance create schemas on your total CMS instance for you. Right?

61:01 That's the next level. Yeah, that that way it cla does all that for

61:08 you instead of creating the JSON files for you and you have to like a Neanderthal copy them over.

61:20 I did I did feel quite bad yesterday. You know, I gave it now I have this

61:26 system. I gave it the instruction. is processing all this huge amount of stuff. And you know, I went outside, got

61:35 a coffee, was looking at the clouds, then 10 minutes later, I just went,

61:40 "Yeah." And the next step is now uh this is the

61:46 a little more complicated but um you know how

61:51 I think there's plenty of pages in the in a website that they don't need my

61:57 attention. You know I I don't want to design every single 404 page for every client or

62:02 Yeah. And so all that stuff um that's the next step that I'm working

62:09 on. It's uh you know given all the media and designs that we have of a specific

62:16 client. Mhm. Uh it it could even even come up with some

62:21 web designs if I wanted to or if I already have the web designs just look

62:27 at this image, copy the style and give me like all the pages the service page utility

62:33 pages that I need. And um and even I've tried

62:38 I even tried with a blank page in stocks just drop in an HTML stack in the

62:45 middle. So it uses all the foundation stuff, all the site style. So I still have that sort of control over that page,

62:53 but the entire body of of the web page is completely generated by an AI

62:59 and uh it uses live data because I the AI knows total CMS obviously.

63:06 So it knows what kind of macros they have it has to use to display the title, the background image, so on and so

63:12 forth. Mhm. And so it literally built my blog post page.

63:18 Yeah. Right. Yeah, you and that's going to be um so that's definitely the next step,

63:23 but it's very complicated because it's uh

63:29 you have zero control of the output of I mean of course you can give it some directions, right?

63:35 Yeah. But yeah, that's a little more complicated to it requires a much bigger I think

63:41 skill file. Yes. But very interesting, super powerful,

63:50 you know, just by being here and last night I did the full setup of a of an of

63:56 of the website of a of a client in a I want to say 15 minutes because the AI

64:03 the AI ran for 15 minutes, but took me anything, you know. Yeah. Well, I mean, you you you you

64:09 typed out the requirements and all that jazz, but Yeah. I mean, that was a long pro. Yeah, that took a long time.

64:14 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, uh so yeah, there is that but I mean what a year ago

64:20 that would have took you weeks. Yeah. Like cuz also those schemas also

64:27 like let me ask you a question. Why do you in your schema use the forward and backward slash or the slash? Is there a

64:35 specific reason? Um that's that's that's a JSON thing. So, it's uh JSON requires you to if you

64:42 want to have a a slash, you have to escape it with another slash cuz AI doesn't want to do that. It keeps

64:51 telling me, yeah, there's that, but it's going to work. Don't worry about it. It's like, fine, but can you just use

64:58 whatever he's using, please?

65:03 Yeah. Uh but um yeah so what I was saying is that

65:09 apart of being it would have probably took me a long time but to to all do all

65:15 those schemas but the point is that it's producing you know full scheas like sometime I

65:21 wouldn't even take the time to enter the label the help text the the factory

65:26 there's when I create schemas at least I don't know how you guys do it

65:32 I I tend to go fast right as fast as possible and you know factory label help

65:38 text placeholders forget about it you know

65:43 I mean this tool you know it was like poof you know it's a freaky beautiful

65:50 schema like everything you would possibly need and even estimate what

65:55 kind of factory uh data you want to you want to display it's very good it's very

66:01 good very cool love Love it. Yeah, love it.

66:08 So, David, do you have any concerns that Claude will share that wonderful schema with some of your competitors?

66:14 You know, I'm going to tell you something. I gave it access to my email. Not my

66:20 full business email, but I have a a Gmail account that I use for some stuff like for my business. Now, it has full

66:27 access to it. It It's just way too convenient.

66:33 It's just I can't believe it.

66:39 You know, it just categorized my full email account.

66:47 10 years of email, something like that. nicely organized, cleaned it up, like

66:54 put a folder of things that should need my attention even if you know I haven't answered back in a month or something

67:00 like what and even proposed some cuz you know it has access to the way I write

67:06 and you know what I think you know projects and stuff it has access to a

67:11 lot of stuff now it has a lot of context about myself so it even

67:18 created a draft response for all those emails that needed my attention.

67:24 It's like what the hell, you know, how the you know,

67:31 so I guess you're not really having your your uh your work stolen when you can be

67:36 so easily replaced. Eh, yeah. I mean, I accept the consequences.

67:42 What can I say? Like, but you know, it's at some point it's Yeah.

67:49 It could be a double sword. You know, it's like um you know, I I I've talked about this

67:55 before where it's like um you know, I I've made the decision where, you know, yes, AI could um a I I am more

68:04 productive than I ever been because of AI. And Total CMS is where it is right now because of AI. Now, could have AI

68:12 built total CMS on its own from a single prompt? No, it couldn't have because I've I've morphed it and I've I've, you

68:18 know, I've molded it into what it is, right? Because of it. Um, and so yes, Total CMS is infinitely

68:26 more powerful than my original vision for it was, which is awesome. Okay.

68:33 But, um, will AI kill off my business?

68:40 Will it kill me? Right. that that it's it is true like like it it's it writes

68:47 software so [ __ ] good right that what not that what do I need because again I

68:53 I created total CMS because it was it was my vision and my where I I directed it right and I I don't allow AI to code

69:01 things for me and then I just blindly added in right I mean I review everything okay um so my will will AI

69:10 kill me off it's possible It's it's possible. I I won't say that it's impossible, but my the direction that I

69:17 took is is as hopefully you've seen today is it I think I'm stronger if I work with

69:24 AI and I build software that works really well with AI because that is the

69:29 new technology, right? So I'm I'm embracing it as much as possible so that

69:35 um yeah so that if AI uses works really well with a content management system

69:40 such as total CMS people are more likely to use that because they do need a CMS

69:46 instead of having AI generate a website and and manage all the content through AI. That is I don't think a viable

69:53 solution at all. Right. So creating a a piece of software that works really well

69:58 with AI um I think is is where the success is for for me going forward.

70:05 Well, you know, when I need to be brutally honest, when I hear people talking about will AI

70:11 gonna kill me, you know, I mean, if it was you against AI, yes,

70:17 the AI is going to kill you. But in in this case, you have access to AI. Like,

70:24 we have access to it. It's not us against the AI. It's a it's right it's

70:29 like it's right there. It's a tool that you can use to do whatever you need to do

70:35 to build whatever you need to build. Like could other people do the same thing?

70:41 Yes. But you know that's why you ask a painter to come and paint and paint your

70:47 house. Could you do it yourself? Yes. But you have other stuff to like the

70:53 business with AI. I I think it's it's totally fine. You know, at least our

70:59 like I don't see a company

71:06 small don't even think about it but mediumsiz company I don't see them

71:12 getting a a new team of people uh in in office

71:18 that their job is to develop something and maintain something with AI for that

71:24 that's so com so so complicated to to manage a team like that it's still a

71:30 much better idea for companies to just hire uh an external company to develop

71:36 whatever digital system they need. I I don't see how

71:41 AI is going to kill that this business. I don't see it. I agree.

71:48 Anyway, I think AI is just going to change. I mean, we're going through a period of time when the nature of work is

71:55 changing. Yeah, it it's it's no longer, you know, you have to keep upping your skills and

72:01 upping your thing. I mean, we've been through a number of transitions already. I remember in the 80s when cable TV came

72:08 in and the VCR came in and said, "Oh, we're going to it's going to kill the movie theaters." Movie theaters haven't

72:14 gone away. They've just changed. We don't have a local movie theater on every corner anymore. And now we have, you know,

72:20 mega, you know, we have to have a mega theater and and we get beautiful, nice, comfortable seats and we get, you know,

72:27 we we had a whole, you know, it's changed. It had to morph into something different um than what it was. And the

72:33 same thing is going to be true for, you know, even coding. You know, we don't need as many uh guys just typing away

72:40 coding things. now we can do it with AI, but the the you know guys with CS skills and and and and able to think that that

72:47 next level up will still have a job and you know so um we're not going to need

72:52 as many people to just sit around and type type in code. Yeah,

72:58 let me give you one little piece of advice. Um, we have people in the call center

73:04 business that I retired from a couple of years ago that were trying are are using

73:09 AI to listen to the recordings that they have between you and their agent and

73:16 scoring the agent and scoring you and all kinds of other stuff.

73:22 AI is only as good as the person who trains it.

73:28 So, if there's no rules for AI to to go against,

73:33 it it's going to get a little crazy. Um, and we we saw that specifically in the

73:40 911 centers that we had that were moving from on premise into cloud technologies

73:46 and they didn't want to have, you know, they were trying to save money to pay for all that because, you know, when you

73:53 own the equipment, you only pay a fee to update it. if you're leasing the equipment or you've gone cloud, you got

74:01 to pay for each agent and all the features you have every month, right? And so that was an issue that and they,

74:07 you know, a lot of folks just went all out and I'm with you guys. AI is good

74:13 and I'm glad that uh Joe that you're doing what you're doing so we can use it.

74:18 Yeah. And that's why and that's why my hats off to you because

74:24 you're training it or you're looking at how it will interface and what does it do and and saying do do we really want

74:32 that? And a lot of people in the world I came from contact centers um didn't do

74:39 that. They just saw it. It was in there. It was cheaper. I don't have to have as many supervisors. I don't have to have

74:44 this blah blah blah. And we'll let AI do it all. And it didn't go well for them

74:50 the first couple of years. Yep. the it's the same problem we had what

74:55 was it the 90s where everything the solution was offshoring and you know and

75:02 you know working with the engineers in India or or Russia or whatever it wasn't easy

75:08 you know and a lot of that's come back you know because and so right now we're in the AI

75:14 experiment and we'll have to find out where it works and where it doesn't and adjust

75:21 I agree with Yeah. Yeah. I remember that experience.

75:27 Yeah. Yeah. And I I had engineers in in China and

75:32 and so it's just it wasn't easy. It's wasn't easy to work with them always.

75:42 At the same time, there was some really good stuff that we were able to do. I I'll just quick story. Early in the 90s,

75:50 we I was at Apple and we were working with we had a team in Ireland and the

75:56 developers would work all day and we'd send a code, you know, send the send the

76:02 release over to to Ireland and they would they would test it all night and we'd have bugs in the morning, you know,

76:08 that that worked really well. That's a good thing.

76:15 Yeah. one one other small but I think uh good

76:21 feature that a lot of you might like is um so if you know uh any forms um inside

76:28 the dashboard they're kind of limited to 800 pixels wide right um and some people

76:34 wanted them hey I have this really big complicated form and I wanted to go full width okay um and uh there there are

76:43 some CSS hacks that you can do with templates and you can make it full width, but um we've made it easier. So,

76:50 you just go into settings and you go into dashboard and there's now a toggle for full width object forms and you save

76:57 that. And now, if we go back into our blog

77:02 form, I just open up a new one. Now, the the

77:08 forms are now full width. So, uh you can create full width forms. um that probably allows you to have more columns

77:15 if you wanted. Um not obviously can't guarantee how that will look once you shrink that down. Um but yeah um you

77:22 know if it's just for you and you want full control and you want you know full width forms, you'll be able to do that

77:28 now.

77:33 That's amazing. Thank you. Some of us are old and we have to go full.

77:41 That's just me. Nobody open on this call.

77:51 Any other questions, guys? Date snap.

77:58 Oh, pay snap. What What about Oh, date snap. Uh I I haven't worked on it at all since we last talked about it.

78:04 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um,

78:09 I was actually debating on maybe uh like renaming it actually because I I've been putting a lot a decent amount of work

78:15 into it and I don't know, thinking about ditching the the Snap uh the Snap names.

78:20 Um, so I figure if I'm going to re-release it, might as well might as well uh ditch the Snap name. Um, I don't

78:26 know. I'm thinking about it. So, uh, but yeah, hopefully

78:31 I maybe that by the end of the month, we'll see. Um, we'll see how much how much uh work I get done on it,

78:38 but it it does work really as I showed on the hangout a couple weeks ago. It does work pretty nicely with uh with total CMS 33. It should work well.

78:47 And form snap. Uh I have a problem with Foundation 6 and Form Snap. You know

78:54 this error? Um nope. There's there there are other users that use it with Foundation 6 and

79:00 so I'm not sure what it is. Okay. H got so

79:08 um it looks like this.

79:14 And um if I do it uh with um Rabbit Rever, it works.

79:19 Oh, in stack six. Sorry, I I was thinking Foundation six. I'm sorry. Um

79:25 that's possible. I I have not tested form Snap in stack six at all. Um, so

79:31 yeah, I'm not not sure. Stics, it doesn't work. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Sorry, I I

79:39 thought I I was thinking Foundation Six. Sorry.

79:47 Cool. Well, guys, uh, if there's nothing else, maybe we'll call it a call it a day. See you guys on hopefully some of

79:52 you on Friday. Yeah. See you Friday. Hey guys Friday, I hope.

79:58 Take care, guys. All right.

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