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00:00 ready kick this off do it let's go
00:18 okay Greg episode three of images right some guy got some great feedback
00:26 from guys on episodes 1 & 2 on the image on our image series so thank you very much I'll probably do some some follow
00:32 up on I I had one from last episode one follow-up email apparently last episode
00:39 I said that progressive jpgs were new
00:44 they aren't new they've been around for a very very very long time they just haven't been very popular so I did say
00:52 that they were new kind of saying they were new to the community because not many people talked about him
00:57 so yes progressive jpgs they have been around for many many years
01:03 so apparently around 10-15 years they've been around and actually all browsers
01:09 current browsers support them I actually didn't even think that way I didn't think that was actually the case I had
01:14 read some other articles that said that they weren't so but I did look it up and all browsers currently support
01:20 progressive jpg and have for quite a while so we're good to go on the
01:25 progressive jpg front if you want a gentle on that bandwagon thanks Joe
01:31 thanks for clarifying that appreciate it how's your week been so we're talking I
01:38 jump straight into business like I didn't even do any small talk like how's your week been I know I'm pretty good
01:44 busy busy I'm exhausted nursing nursing some illnesses in the
01:51 house so you know trying to trying to stay above water you know kids bringing the illnesses home right
01:58 every every which way yeah it's a first weekend daycare and just wait till King
02:04 Oh how's it think right that the kids don't just graduate but then thyristors
02:09 graduate to exactly exactly and then when you have multiple kids you get the kid gets the one kid sick and then like
02:15 it's like a never-ending thing you know during some parts of the year it's it's just wonderful great how about you how
02:22 was your week you know I've been killing it this week to be to be honest like I set up my goals you know what things I
02:30 wanted to do at the beginning of the week which is kind of a new thing like I actually wrote down what I wanted to do this week and um and I kind of got I got
02:39 the last thing done well it's almost done I'll finish it tonight definitely and I had one like my dream of maybe
02:46 doing something this week on it and I got all day tomorrow to work on it so I'm I'm good I'm looking great nice wrap
02:54 up the week in a week pretty strong then yeah yep yeah nice to you to hand write
03:00 him or do you use to do suck management I have a to do manager um call I use
03:07 OmniFocus but okay I'll be brutally honest and my OmniFocus is just like a pit of things that I've added in there
03:15 that I need to do so what I've done is I've been using day one the you know the
03:22 journaling app yeah and what I did what I did was so I've only been doing this for two weeks but it's kind of working
03:28 right so on Monday I wrote just I created an entry for this week's goals
03:34 and then what I did is at the end of every day or actually I've been I've been doing it as the dig as the day goes
03:40 along like whatever I do all all you know just do a bullet list of things that I did today and then I'll take us
03:48 if it's something kind of visual I'll screenshot it and throw the image in there as well so that you know when
03:55 Friday rows along I can kind of look at my we can go oh yeah look I really did do something cool
04:01 this week you know um and I think the images actually help a lot as well because you kind of see it you know it's
04:07 not just a bullet list of stuff like I can see screenshots of you know some new settings that I've done or designed a
04:13 new button or you know I designed a new color picker you know this we can finalize that so it took a screenshot of
04:19 that and just threw it in there right so just having a visual representation of kind of what I've done this week has
04:25 been really really good interesting hey I've switched between OmniFocus and
04:31 things but I can never really stick with it you know what I end up doing is a hand up hand writing it mm-hmm so I'll
04:39 take a notebook and I'll bullet everything on my mind and everything I have to do yeah and then write notes for
04:46 the day and as I do work and everything um you know I'm like I might check put a check mark if I finish it and then the
04:52 next day I start over and write the same thing over again so all the tasks got to
04:58 do that and just kind of manage it like that and just keep going I always write on only one side of the page because my
05:05 engineering background is always like don't write on the back and always write on one side yeah you know I just keep
05:13 pulling back to that I just can't get away from pen and paper yeah cool so you know I was we're kind of getting way off
05:20 the topic of images right now but it's okay so I wanted a few weeks ago my son
05:25 just maybe start using some task management to help him figure out homework in terms of what homework to do
05:32 and when and you know if he has a project doing you know next week you know make sure it's in his to-do list so
05:37 he knows exactly what he needs to work on um not sure how well that's working yet but what I did is I I looked at on
05:44 me focus and at first I was like manases a lot for like just a simple task manager' right um so
05:51 I looked at things and things looked really nicely especially the new version right I was like oh wow this would really fit well the UI is nice right
05:58 it's simple um then I noticed it was you know 50 bucks and you know I'd have to
06:04 get the iOS app too cuz he you know and he's the iPad a lot for school um his school uses iPads they don't
06:11 think he has like one textbook the rest is all on his iPad um so he uses that I've had a lot so I I would need a Mac
06:18 and the iOS version it was like you know is gonna be like you know 75 100 bucks or whatever it was and I was just like
06:24 well lately let me stick out with OmniFocus and what I tried to do is I I removed a ton of features from the app
06:30 like I I cleaned up I removed everything from the toolbar and only added like the one or two buttons and he needed um and
06:37 I really cleaned up and minified the interface so it was very simple and I think it's working out and I think I'm
06:44 going to try to do that for myself as well um we're you know I just I remove a ton of the features and you know some of
06:51 the the distracting parts of the app and really just customize it for what I need and I don't know
06:58 so yeah it's yep you kind of you slim down the pro
07:03 app to more of a streamlined yes yes but what's nice I mean OmniFocus do I like how it does like you can defer dates you
07:11 can have deferred dates so the tasks won't ever show up until the particular date right um yeah and you know a lot of
07:18 task managers don't do that sort of stuff and I like OmniFocus for that but um yeah slimming it down to where it
07:24 looked like it was a simpler you know app with less features but I could still use some of the power features that when
07:31 I needed to is interesting so yeah hmm yeah I might have to switch back try
07:39 all me focus again cuz it's definitely nice having having had to drill you know
07:44 screenshots or putting in putting in snippets of code or something down and touching that but now would be helpful
07:51 but I don't know nothing has worked as
07:56 well over the years as pen and paper so I have a feeling on the end of background pen and paper but you know I'll keep I'll keep trying that out yeah
08:02 I find something that works yep yeah I mean the you know you know the most important thing is that you stick with it right yeah so that's that's the
08:10 hardest part cool so today guys let's let's get back to business this can be part three I
08:17 think there's gonna be the final one on images we wanted to talk a little bit more um that about some stuff we didn't
08:23 cover in the past two episodes and today we're gonna talk a little bit about SEO and images and how you know SEO has to
08:31 apply the images and what you need to do to make sure that all your images are found by search engines and how it can
08:37 help you out for your rankings and all that jazz so Greg why don't you go first
08:44 what's what's your first topic filenames let's talk file name say so Google is
08:52 definitely getting better right we have lots of machine learning now it's a big topic in AI right so and the pattern
08:59 recognition they have you have recapped reCAPTCHA which now lets you click on on
09:04 the items in the images so you know clearly Google knows what's going on inside these images now and they're
09:10 getting better at it but the first thing to start with is file names you know you want to give Google as much signals as
09:17 possible and that's really what SEO is about as many signals and hints as
09:23 possible so name your files you know keep them descriptive don't make them
09:28 too long I know you I know you have a tool for SEO right Joe um it's SEO
09:35 helper which is more meta tag stuff okay sorry well I do have shameless self plug
09:43 they do have su rx which will give you guidelines and look at all the images on your page and make suggestions on name
09:51 lengths which I believe off the top of my head is
09:56 at twenty characters something like that around 20 characters for image names and
10:05 you know you - - to separate the words and keep you know so you have um you
10:12 know dog chases car right so you have dog - chases - car and
10:21 you try to keep the more prevalent keywords in there so you keep stop words away which is just generically
10:27 transitional words like the or you know
10:33 words that don't add context to what's in the image so that's my first topic you don't know
10:40 anything is up sorry go ahead I was gonna say the important thing is you know if you add an image directly to
10:47 stacks it gives it a default name mm-hmm so make sure you double click on that image and stacks and edit your final name that
10:54 is a good point um so yeah we did talk about there's two ways to add images right if you add a image to the content
11:01 area so you drag and drop it into there you know you double click and we talked about you know you can edit some
11:06 information about that image and one of those things is definitely the file name right so Stax does give it you know Stax
11:13 underscore something I'd you know I don't remember the exact naming standard but yes good very good point where you
11:20 can actually customize the name of the image there now if you add an image to
11:26 the settings like if you use in a stack that you know the images dropped into the settings you cannot change the the
11:33 name of that file that is not customizable right now so yes just let
11:39 you know if you are wondering about that that is not possible um so yeah and if you and if you warehouse in you can give
11:45 them any name you want exactly if you worry how they give it any name you want um some things with naming I do want to
11:50 say I'm I'm not a fan of having spaces and names in general like with anything
11:56 on the web so um if you want to delineate like you know specified different words
12:01 um I use dashes a lot of people say dashes or underscores I think dashes are
12:06 better they they definitely a lot of times underscores can be misinterpreted
12:12 as maybe a space or people don't see them right so you use a dash so if you want to say you know my fancy product or
12:20 improv we'll leave Maya out right because Greg just you know said you want to leave all those pronouns stop words
12:27 stop words this they're they're referred to as stop words I'm thinking of what like the official link you know I I did
12:34 horrible in English class in school I don't remember what those are called but anyway things like my the a stuff
12:41 like that leave those out you just want basically the keywords right so what is that image um you know and use dashes
12:46 instead of spaces do you have a preference I don't think it really matter caps or mixed case I tend to go all
12:53 lowercase for again for anything on the web I just use all lower case for almost anything I although our case and dashes
13:04 for everything mm-hmm and you - I shouldn't I should note s you are X
13:10 actually looks at a bunch of common stop words in these names and and your alt
13:15 tags that we'll probably get into shortly cool gadget checks checks for
13:20 all that sweet and I'll give you I'll give you a link for the show notes for a list of stop words that you can share
13:26 with everybody cool we're gonna talk about next damages
13:32 obviously alt tag is I think the next thing right because while the filename
13:37 does you could give it a clue on what the image is right the the alt tag is where you can actually define really
13:44 what the image out is and you can describe the image so obviously the alt tag is kind of like a description that
13:51 isn't really displayed anywhere it's just purely informative for the search
13:57 engines to know what is inside that image so that you can describe it um and
14:03 a lot of times you're gonna want to put stuff in the alt tag that people would if you want people to find her images right you want to put stuff that people
14:09 would potentially search Google for um and you want that image to result right
14:14 so um you know make sure you stuff a lot of keywords probably again like Gregg
14:19 said a lot of those stop words probably probably leave those out as well inside the alt tag I don't know what what's
14:25 what's your feedback on alt tags in terms of what sort of words or wording that you need alt tags I should bring it
14:34 up I did so much research on this when I build SEO rx I should really bring this up and have all my rules like right in
14:40 front of me and we really firmly this episode I know I know
14:47 hundred 140 to 150 characters from much yeah you can actually this is where
14:53 actually people this is where you put your meat okay for your for images um I
15:01 assume in I've always done a lot less than that like I do like two or three words add so so good I'm getting
15:08 schooled school you some more Greg uh you give me
15:14 a second and I will okay um if other things while Greg's looking up that I recently discovered some really clever
15:21 tactics for a lot of this is actually used for email okay but you could use
15:28 this on the web as well and that is when an image doesn't download okay either
15:35 because a lot of times you know email clients especially will you know not download an image if the particular you
15:44 know if it thinks it's spam or something like that right the email the email client won't download the images in the
15:49 email so what you can actually do is there is some CSS that you can throw on the page
15:56 that will target the alt text and then style it so you can actually
16:02 cause um inside like the broken image you can actually style the alt text so
16:08 that it displays something right um it's pretty it's pretty cool um I just
16:14 learned about it I don't know about a month ago and was like oh that's cool I'm gonna add that feature to the email
16:19 stacks so so if you're an email stacks user um look forward to that feature uh
16:25 pretty soon and yeah I thought that was really cool and I actually I heard um I
16:31 was listen to a podcast and the guy that was using this tactic what he was do is he puts like some cuz it's just an email
16:38 it's not really for search engines he would put like some sort of catchy phrase that would make someone turn on
16:44 images that just so they could see the image right and so he'd put like some
16:49 funky and maybe like even an emoji I think he said he mo Gees would even work so he put it in emoji in the alt tag
16:55 with some information that you know it was basically like kind of click baby so it made the person want to enable images
17:00 they could see everything and another reason he'd do that for emails is because a lot of times that's how
17:07 analytics for emails work is whether or not an image was downloaded right so that that's one reason why he wanted
17:14 people to be able to download images so he can get better analytics on open rates for his emails so by adding some
17:22 sort of click baby message into the alt tag of the image and then styling it so that you know people would see it you
17:28 know they'd enable images to see to see it and you know he'd get better analytics on his emails so interesting
17:35 little tidbit of information there yeah that's cool so I unfortunately careful and the length oh here we go yep
17:44 yeah less than 150 characters for the old tag so under 150 so I misspoke earlier okay so what's the characters
17:53 that's a lot I mean that you know that that's you know a sentence or two that
17:58 you could do exact or an entire image so you know that's definitely something I do have to admit I don't I don't do that
18:05 right I I don't I don't I don't go through all my images and make sure that all the alt tags are are pristine and um
18:13 yeah well the other important thing you should do is they all have to be unique
18:18 right no duplicate alt tags on a page so yeah you know I know I know you do short
18:24 brief alt tags but there's only so many times you can say dog in Park if you have multiple dogs you know you know I'm
18:31 saying yeah so do I try to do a little more a little more effort than the bare minimum sometimes yep
18:38 so next up title tags sure yeah do people see these tighter
18:45 attacks well that's what the tooltips are videos right yeah III didn't know
18:51 really really that was I mean I knew it existed so when you hover over the image you know you get a little uh you know
18:56 the browser specific tooltip tag um but yeah yeah okay doot-doot surfaces really look at the
19:03 title tag as well as the alt tag again more signals the better right fair
19:09 enough fair enough and I'm pretty and you know don't quote me on this and because I haven't looked at it recently
19:15 but I'm last time I checked it think for
19:20 accessibility I believe the title tag is used for like screen readers and stuff oh you know what that makes sense that
19:27 that makes complete sense yeah yeah so we'll have to double-check that in the
19:33 show notes but pretty sure that's what it is and the guidelines for title tag it is
19:38 less than 75 so less than half your alt tag so you know that's that's our title
19:46 to shove me five you said yes okay so
19:52 for SEO you definitely want it it has to be less than 75 interesting yeah
20:02 basically walking through Ser the source code here as we talk
20:10 which is okay it's fine yep all right so yeah what do you want to talk um you
20:17 know I know we kind of beat this dead horse a couple times but file-size I have to say is probably another big one
20:23 right if you have an image that isn't properly optimized you know search
20:28 engines aren't gonna index it favorably so you know at one of the biggest things
20:33 you could do for SEO outside the technical area is PageSpeed
20:39 I think right and hey you know one of the biggest things you could do for PageSpeed is to reduce your images and
20:47 make them as small as possible so I'm not gonna go into all the tie rod of what you could do listen to the first
20:53 two episodes if you haven't already and learn how you can better optimize your images but that definitely has impact on
21:00 SEO in terms of file size of your images
21:05 yes I agree that's going I usually come up with those so usually usually my my
21:15 sticking point you know so images what else for images what's a good question
21:25 title alt sizes I don't know if there's much left
21:31 for images emails we could talk about just briefly email sizes you have any guidelines on
21:38 email sizes for images um so okay sizing
21:43 on email is so that's that's a good question so sadly in the email world we have to play
21:52 to the lowest common denominator right and sadly that is Outlook which means a
21:59 lot of you know responsive image stuff that we could do like Brett and image stuff is somewhat out the door sadly
22:07 because things like you know a simple attribute like Max with
22:13 just isn't possible in Outlook Outlook does not support max with at all
22:19 that sucks so basically what outlook does is if you throw a thousand pixel
22:25 image out there outlook wants to size it a thousand pixels right it's kind of ridiculous and
22:34 yeah so without with email essentially I I strongly recommend that you you know
22:41 put the image size that you really want right and I when I've been doing emails
22:48 I've been doing it around 600 pixels so on on mobile devices almost all mobile
22:54 mail clients nowadays will will respond and shrink the image down so we're kind of good good there and then at 600
23:02 pixels wide it'll you know it'll look good on pretty much all desktop email clients you know you don't need it
23:09 responsive email is not the same as a responsive web page right I mean it's it's it's kind of like building
23:17 it's kind of like building to static with uh you know things like you you
23:23 have mobile and then you have you know the desktop size but really even on desktop size I don't recommend going
23:29 like to a thousand pixels like it just it's gonna make your life worse I'm
23:35 serious and you know I think 600 pixels is just a good width it's what almost all major email you
23:42 know marketing campaigns are done at so yeah I that's just my recommendations on
23:48 image sizes for email make them the size that you need and I personally don't go
23:55 over 600 pixels well I do have two more tips okay
24:00 images sure the Apple touch icon
24:05 and no it's not directly images but in rapidweaver you add that
24:11 Apple touch icon for your site so if people bookmark your your site to your
24:17 phone that's the icon that gets showed up on gets shown on the users home screen yes and not only there but Apple
24:25 started using that actually in Safari like if you bookmark a page or add it to your favorites in your bookmarks like
24:32 that is the icon that's now used like if you click on the browser toolbar now in a new tab like open up a new tab yeah it
24:40 shows you know all your your favorite bookmarks and whatnot and that's the icon use so that's a good point
24:46 yeah um you know if we want to talk about other images there's also like the pin browser tab stuff right which um I
24:52 know Firefox has that now and Safari does um just Chrome do pin tabs I don't
25:00 know I don't know I don't use Chrome that no much I don't know so unless you don't know
25:06 anyway uh you know it it is kind of a funky format like it is kind of a really
25:11 a two-toned you know thing I recommend you know if you want to do that there is
25:17 a there's a site ah shoot icon
25:24 shoot what's there there's a website where basically you can upload an image and it will generate not only all the
25:31 sized icons that you need but the actual meta tags that you need to load in all
25:37 of those particular icons on your page and then you can just chuck that into your your page header inside the the
25:44 global code in your app weaver project and you're good to go I will make sure I look that up and put
25:51 the URL in the in the show notes that's gonna drive me nuts it's icon something
25:58 I still feel like that so be like they
26:03 could it's like a favor car generator some guesses yesterday but now fate 1/2
26:08 babe and it's Primus history people mad at Kristen King no this is a
26:16 real fav icon generator dotnet it's a long name but it is good it's it's a
26:23 quality one it really is and it'll actually generate the these pin tab two icons for you even if you upload like a
26:30 PNG to it it'll generate because these are supposed to be like vector graphics or whatnot but they're really tiny and they're
26:37 they're you know two-toned so yeah check that out real fav icon
26:42 generator dotnet it really is good it's pretty awesome sweet sweet yeah and look the other
26:49 thing I was gonna mention was a favicon but now they were talking that's pretty much covers all your
26:55 images on your page that you could possibly put yeah
27:02 the Elster um no I I don't think so I think I think
27:08 we have we have conquered email imogen Steve just one week it's almost
27:16 end of the week you know get one more day yep yep um I guess one thing one
27:21 thing we can quickly mention is I know gifts are like the thing now right like you know animated gifts and whatnot um
27:28 so you know we didn't really touch touch base upon that in these couple episodes
27:34 so um what are your thoughts on animated gifts versus video
27:40 hi you press them yeah I've seen a lot of
27:46 users in bed 10 20 megabyte mpegs onto
27:51 their website and they wonder why their website takes a minute to load mm-hmm
27:57 you know I mentioned this before in previous episodes but you know you gotta
28:04 think about if you want talk lowest-common-denominator talk about talk about me and my house on a 3G
28:09 connection and then you know we have very little cell service and trying to
28:14 load your website if it's gonna take if I shall look at 20 mega fine after a little 20 make video you're gonna eat up
28:21 my data connection and it's gonna and we're probably not gonna buy something from your store yeah think about think
28:28 about that as poor poor souls with very little cell service but you know on the
28:36 flip side you do have to if you're making gifts you know I've seen like 6 megabyte gifts files as well right so
28:41 yeah yeah make sure that you you compress those enough and you know there
28:46 are times when if you compress it too much like sometimes a video is depending
28:52 on what you're trying to convey a small video file could potentially compress nicer than a gift would stupa it all
29:00 depends on the thing so that you're trying to accomplish so yeah I can't really give any hardcore um you know
29:07 recommendations on you know you know black and white do this you know use gif when this use mpeg-4 when that um it's
29:14 just you're gonna have to test it out if you can't get the gift looking good um you know it while it's compressed and
29:21 it's too large you may want to look at a video file it could it could actually potentially be smaller as an mp4 it
29:29 really just depends on the content that's within the video right right cuz
29:35 I'm you know if you're doing like a background you have something like that where the quality doesn't really matter too much yep you know that is perfect
29:43 right yeah yeah one thing in us yeah one thing in that's a great point um a lot of times
29:50 if you if you if you're using an image as a background and especially if you
29:55 have a like of transparent overlay on top of it like you can get away with having like
30:02 compressing the crap out of that image or the video like you can have a much
30:07 lower res image or video if it's behind a transparent overlay and you will never notice the difference because that
30:13 transparent overlay really just obscures your vision of it and you don't notice any degradation and the file size could
30:20 be a fraction of what you would use if you didn't have the overlay on top of it
30:26 the answer battery that's a great treasure yeah very true yep
30:33 another thing one more thing with images is social media sharing so like Open
30:38 Graph and Twitter cards and all that jazz so like this is getting a little bit more into
30:44 SEO stuff but you know there is definitely an an OG image tag um and
30:50 there you you're gonna give a URL to the to it probably a JPEG that is going to
30:55 be whenever someone shares your image or a URL to your page on Twitter or
31:01 Facebook or whatever right it's gonna have that nice showing up there and that's all done through Open Graph tags
31:07 um you know Greg mentioned my SEO helper stack my SEO helper stack that I do have
31:12 that ships with foundation does help you do all of those Open Graph meta tags and
31:18 I know that real Mac's working on some of that stuff or um a future version
31:24 that I may or may not have on my desktop
31:30 how's that for a leak all groan shake his head Greg shake his
31:36 head Danny dan you can slap my hand later
31:43 sure yeah oh yeah I think your SEO tool
31:49 is great and you know what this wasn't meant to be how do you know you even think about talking about SCR X but you know SEO rx
31:56 helps with all these things we talked about today definitely and hope it helps you report and get insight into what's
32:01 going on in your page and catches you know catches on all those things before you publish you know right into luck
32:07 right in preview mode it doesn't publish anything to your web server so it's adds no weight to your page and let you know
32:14 what's going on get you a better idea you know as soon as you hit publish so you're not starting from zero so we
32:19 think that's the best part of it there there is there is one more thing that I've actually never played into it's
32:25 it's been on my thing to look into is you know you we have sitemap XML files right well apparently you can there's a
32:32 special one that you could do just for images so you can create like a site yes XML file of your images so that Google
32:41 and other search engines can eat more easily you know source all the images on your website what do you think about those
32:47 that do you know anything about that I haven't I don't I just know it exists I came across and we were searching a
32:53 while back doing research for some of our previous episodes
32:59 understanding is that it's largely for single page applications and those kind of things where the contents dynamically
33:06 loaded and not available in the Dom okay so
33:12 that's kind of how I view it and how I kind of see it I think it's interesting him and might be fun but I think it
33:21 might be limited benefit from rapidly reiterative unless they're their entire page content is you know what it a
33:27 synchronously I'm not available kind of extinct got it it could just serve as a if you want to
33:34 manually do this obviously there isn't any tools out there that will do it for you to my knowledge um but you know it
33:40 could if you want to take the time to research the syntax and build the file out yourself could just give you a
33:45 little leg up in terms of google finding your stuff faster I'm just an idea yeah
33:51 it could and theory in theory I guess ya know at worst I know the more again more
33:58 signals the better right and that's sleek that's kind of like the rat race or I hate the more signals and you know
34:05 the more little crumbs you give the better Google can get at you know making
34:12 you number on the first page which is kind of like the goal of everybody is getting my first page
34:19 sweetness is just the beginning well you got anything else to add about images I think we've covered everything in the
34:26 past three episodes on images that I could think of at least for right now ya know I think it's been great I think
34:32 users have seen seem like they're pretty pretty excited and loving it so basically hit the nail on the head with
34:40 these sweet so Greg tell everyone where we can find your beautiful mug
34:47 figuratively at heart can I have one of
34:55 your mugs I know that's why I was thinking about it we can head out of it this morning oh man I have a whole box in my garage
35:02 my wife has been telling me to get rid of it for four years now oh yeah yeah
35:08 collectors items now yeah maybe I should eBay him yeah rapidly for eBay com2
35:17 contacts I had my previous company name before I change it to chillydog javabean Java
35:24 being hosting and chopping mean software I had the logo printed on a mug and sent it out to a lot of friends and and
35:32 clients so I sent them all over the world all over the world and I just have a whole stash left over
35:39 and the nice thing about the months is that they're extra tall because I drink a lot of coffee hey yeah I do like that
35:45 cup it's extra big I like it Oh glad you like it in the fire you know send send a
35:53 self-addressed stamp box if I send you another one sweet I interrupted you
36:00 where can we find you on the interwebs Greg chili dog software chili dog
36:05 hosting an app bar sharing on Twitter sweet and everybody I am at Joe workman
36:11 everywhere Instagram Facebook Twitter feel free to connect with me I'm mostly on Twitter so that is where I converse
36:18 basically that's where all my social media sparks from and if you are
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36:30 radio.com um and thank you very much we will see you guys next week thanks Greg
36:37 thank starchy later
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