Transcript

00:00 bringing it straight from the heart feels right from the field so you gotta cue me because I can't hear the music
00:15 boom we are here Greg this is episode
80:21 episode 8 man that's eight weeks that's two months Wow is it bit time flies
00:26 that's crazy episode eight pretty soon we'll be out like episode 50 you know pretty cool that is awesome
00:33 yeah Gratz Cheers yes so everyone today you know we're gonna you know the past
00:39 seven episodes have been pretty or at least maybe the past five right we've been pretty technical just like pounding
00:45 you know like technical procedures at you and you know tips and tricks and today we're gonna bring it home we're
00:50 gonna you know kind of hold it back a little bit and take it from the heart we're gonna be talking a little bit
00:55 about um you know some news that came out recently about Adobe decommissioning the product and you know there was a lot
01:02 of chat on the right community about oh wow you know what does that mean you know what does that mean for a
01:07 rapidweaver um and today we're just gonna be talking about that maybe a little bit about our origin stories for
01:13 me and Greg and yeah I think it's gonna be a fun episode we're gonna we're gonna
01:18 kind of sit back lay back talk of some fun about our history and about where we
01:23 see the future of rap we were going and I'm pretty excited about a how about you Greg I am pumped it's gonna be a write
01:31 from the field so you know right from the fields away from the heart we ready
01:37 to get this started yeah let's go so what's the news the news Adobe well it was like I think it
01:42 was like three weeks ago now right so it's not hot off the reservation yeah we're a little late we did mention it in one of the podcasts but yeah
01:49 Adobe's decommissioning their main web design tool called Adobe muse and what
01:55 does that mean um you know obviously there are thousands and thousands of Adobe muse users that are extremely
02:02 pissed off right now right well let me I guess let me back up let me tell you what Adobe did right they did close it off and they did ship
02:11 the very last update they said that Adobe Muse would forget and they are going to extend
02:16 support out initially it was 12 months but they I think they have extended it out to like 15 months or something like
02:23 that because of the uproar and I guess one user like had a petition you know signed up and thousands of people signed
02:30 it so Adobe extended it for a whole three months oh boy but it does mean
02:36 Adobe Muse is gone right so I'll give you a little too bit of information I
02:42 was actually planning on playing around with W muse later this year and just to maybe tap into the add-on market because there is there was a whole add-on market
02:49 for Adobe muse and well I'm not doing that anymore let's see you save me a bunch of time
02:57 thank you very much Adobe right so but yeah you know Adobe does have other web
03:04 design tools a Dreamweaver which is kind of more on the coder side not necessarily you know kind of WYSIWYG
03:10 drag-and-drop like rapid ovaries or any of the other tools but a lot of their other tools do have you know the ability
03:17 to create and export web pages and maybe that's where they're planning on going I'm not sure to be a hundred percent and
03:23 I actually have two friends you know I coach a robotics team for my son's high school and to my fellow coaches who I've
03:31 actually been coaches on this robotics team for many many years both worked at Adobe and I talked to that I saw them
03:38 last week and was like yo guys what happened and they really they absolutely have no clue they didn't know what was
03:44 going on they didn't know what's happening that it was going to happen and then I really on the news team
03:49 obviously you know one guy works on adobe cloud and the other guy works on Lightroom so you know they didn't really
03:56 know they were kind of perplexed as well and I asked him what kind of what their thoughts were and moving forward and
04:02 they didn't really know either so I think Adobe this move by Adobe just
04:08 caught everyone off guard and it'll be interesting you know I definitely plan on once I launch the new Weaver space
04:15 site do people since I will have a new Fingal fancy site that will you know hopefully attract people that's a lot
04:22 more attractive than that current website and I'll be like hey come over here look at this a cool stuff that we got
04:27 and look at Rapid River Instax and and all this fancy stuff so that's one thing I definitely plan on hoping to do this
04:34 year is to try to you know market to those Adobe news users and show them the awesomeness that rapper Eber is cuz I
04:42 really do think it is awesome I don't just say that because I make a living from it guys I I do it because I love it
04:48 and I'm lucky that I get to do what I love to do every day so Greg what's your thoughts on the
04:55 whole Adobe muse decommissioning and and what not yeah I mean we were discussing
05:01 this earlier and I found it kind of interesting this isn't this isn't the first time this has happened tonight
05:07 everybody remember iweb everybody remember front page you know those these tools used to exist
05:12 but amazingly rapid weavers persevere right and you and I have been around
05:19 this community for it's been 10 years now for me you've been almost 10 years
05:26 maybe 11 years yeah I've been a user since 2006 but I released my first stack in 2009 for free um it was late 2008 I'm
05:36 not I don't have any stats on when I release the first free stack it was rent late 2009 late 2008 or 2009 I started
05:42 selling them in July of 2009 but but yeah so close to 10 years yeah see
05:49 that's that's big difference for me right the iWeb was
05:54 closed was closed source there was no add-ons Muse didn't have
06:00 that strong on the Mustang got not had that stronger community right mm-hm front page was I don't really have much
06:08 to say about that that's let's go home way back yeah yeah but to me that's like
06:16 the big difference is like that the community has evolved over these years to deliver
06:22 a darkness that continued to meet people's tastes meet current web trends
06:31 meet all these needs of these users and we've evolved leave the ball with the times I don't think these tools of able
06:37 to keep up they're typically with large large companies and you all know how that can be with a large company
06:43 everything moves a lot slower and more recently to like iWeb and whatnot freeway just last year in 2017 you know
06:50 close up shop that was a pretty popular web design app for Mac and I know a lot
06:57 of freeway users that came over there are happy users over in Weber space now and rapid eevr and they're loving it it
07:03 there was obviously a slight learning curve for them because you know they're differencing and workflows and whatnot but they're really loving rapidly for
07:11 now so yeah you know I do think you're right I think the biggest thing that really sets rapid Eve apart is its
07:18 community of not only users but of third-party developers right and I that
07:24 really does set rapidly for apart from anything else because it is not just one entity trying to keep up with all the
07:30 trends right the way I see it is you know we have you know real Macke and
07:36 they make rapidweaver and they can only move so fast right because you know obviously they have a
07:43 large set of users they don't want to break they have to worry about backwards compatibility and all that jazz right
07:48 then you kind of have one teardown which is really is the plugin developers and
07:54 you have team developers as well that are third-party developers that allow you to you know that can actually move
08:00 faster than real Mac right so that they can kind of go a little bit farther than what real Mac can do because they can
08:06 release a theme or an update to Stax a lot faster than real Mac could - because
08:12 they have effectively a smaller user set right and they could take bigger risks because a there are also smaller
08:17 companies right so they could take a little bit bigger risks then another layer below that are Stax developers
08:23 right which develops tax for the Stax plug-in and those guys can move even faster than you
08:30 know Isaiah at your head or you know real Makarand rapidweaver and that's because a we can you know move faster we
08:38 can use the newer technologies like you know if a new library comes out we can leverage that and really get a you know
08:45 a new product launch to the to the market a lot faster right and also
08:51 because it is such a niche product you know you know like Isaiah your head you
08:56 developer of Stax or you know real Mac they can't look at the nitty gritty little niche they can't possibly develop
09:03 as many stacks that are out there on the market then they could if they just had
09:08 an API like they do that hat that allows you know a hundred stacks developers or third-party developers to develop
09:14 add-ons right they can never hit all the various niches that all these other
09:19 developers can do on their own right it's just impossible so it really is like you know the rising tide raises all
09:26 raises all boats right that's saying we're you know because we have all these developers that are attacking all these
09:32 niches it brings everybody up because there's something for everybody you know
09:38 in the rap Reaver community and more so like the past couple years like the stuff that rapidweaver users can now do
09:45 with rapidweaver is mind-boggling it's stuff that we couldn't even dreamed of
09:50 being possible in rapidweaver you know ten years ago right five even five years ago it's just just mind-boggling the
09:58 stuff that we could do now yeah it's absolutely true the complexity of a stack is just astronomical these days
10:05 and how much development time goes into these products and these themes now is
10:13 it's just amazing at how much effort and talent the rapid community has in
10:19 general and I was kept up over these years has
10:25 no one if you take a step back it's been pretty amazing huh I know
10:34 advantage that they're a preview community has over these big companies that were able to you know and this goes
10:39 with this goes with your with your comments is that we can listen to these users quite easier than these large
10:46 companies so we here we get the support we we can actually listen and adapt a lot better so our products are you know
10:55 meet that demand when you know when they have that when the users have it when they have to add this feature when they have to do this specific thing it's
11:02 easier us for us you know easier in general compared to the other company right some of these features are pretty
11:07 complex and can take a few months to implement right but if you try to put in
11:12 that feature request at the Dolby and Dolby agrees to do it it might be a six month development you know six month plus a development cycle mm-hmm before
11:19 you even see that all right maybe even longer maybe it's you know the next major update that they have to pick them pay for right um so
11:28 benefits of being the small you know in the small niche community a lot of
11:34 people a lot of people don't necessarily feel comfortable working with these small people like us but you know we're
11:41 able to serve them better in a lot of ways so it's nice to be able to do that I just remember way back when I started
11:49 and when I started doing stacks and I just remember all the little
11:57 one trick pony stacks you know everybody was kind of like Matt you know nobody really had to figure it out right nobody
12:02 really had a vision forum but people just pumped out these little one trick
12:08 stacks that did one things that were like five dollars you know or less right
12:16 just amazing how things have changed right now yeah like you know all have stacks like my video wall stack it's an entire like web application inside that
12:23 stack like you know it's full-blown REST API everything all baked into that stack
12:28 it's not just like some little script that you could just throw into an HTML page you know what I mean I mean they're
12:34 these some of these stacks that you know I know you and I have been releasing in some other developers they're really
12:39 like you said they're really complex stuff right and you know it's stuff that
12:44 you know Isaiah and you know again real Mac don't have to worry about because you know guys like me and you got it all
12:51 taken care of you know so yeah yeah really cool stuff yeah yeah it is it's something you know
13:00 just makes makes me personally proud of and I'm sure you are too and there's no doubts about that just being able to you
13:07 know survive those bumpy roads yeah because it hasn't been hasn't always been you know smooth sailing for for me
13:14 Ryan don't you know it's we've seen you've seen wrapped louver developers
13:19 come and go and you know friends and you make over the years kind of step out of
13:25 the game and move on and you know you kind of tip your hat and on and bid him
13:30 adieu but you know it's nice to be able to still be around right yep definitely
13:35 yeah when he what do you think about some of the future things for rapid we've already think us I'm gonna be some
13:42 of the bigger stuff down the road and for users to be able to do they think they're gonna so you know what kind of
13:49 their I think the future is bright like hey you know what I have I have a I'm
13:54 sure you do as well we we both have betas of rapid over eight on our machine and you know we're definitely are sworn
14:00 to secrecy okay um category now no faggins under in the comments I will not
14:12 go into you know details on what is in the build because it is just a developer
14:18 release right now but I'm pretty happy with it right I think at least for the beta
14:24 right now it's for me the best beta build that I've received of a pre-release right um I haven't used it
14:32 on every project you know I use a little bit daily for you know my internal projects but anything I obviously help
14:38 out with a customer I can't work on it because it'll upgrade the the project format and all that jazz right but um
14:44 I'm happy with it I I wish I could tell you more I'm sure as we get closer to the release
14:49 date which I have no clue what it is let's just say the release date is this year um
14:54 I don't know anything other than that okay um and so neither does Dan probably
14:59 because they I think that they want to release this and have it good not
15:05 necessarily make a date right so um it's great I do enjoy it there are some
15:10 really nice new features in it and yeah and in terms of stacks for that is also
15:16 under development no surprise I'm sure everyone already knew that as well um what is that I have no clue actually
15:23 there I really have no clue I can't even say I can't tell you because I don't know
15:28 I do not know but I know it's gonna be awesome don't I know it's gonna be
15:35 awesome and we know and we know how good Joe is at keeping secrets
15:42 he says he doesn't know he really doesn't know I do not know I do not know
15:47 I am a wide open book Touche Touche
15:53 Gregg yeah I found I found an interesting how
15:59 in a rapidly was a desktop publishing tool tool right yet people use this to build websites on their desktops our
16:08 laptops but now we have this huge trend towards edit you know you're building
16:14 designing building your site and then once you publish it having all that content editable online outside of
16:20 rapidweaver yep and then still allow you to edit your site from inside repetier it's
16:25 pretty cool um now I don't want to go and do a full shameless plug of my everyone knows I have total CMS right
16:31 and it's great but it's it's not only my stuff right I mean it's it's awesome to see a lot of other CMS solutions out
16:36 there right because it was if it was just me right um then I'd probably get complacent and not make things better
16:42 right so we have great things like go CMS and
16:48 Oh pulse is out there and hauls there's web yep so the other web yep stuff too I
16:56 forgot about that in him yeah that's yeah I got recently resurrected right yeah yeah um will will will took that
17:04 over I believe will will gate there he's he's um to get rebuilding a lot of her from scratch so should be interesting to
17:11 see go with that how that comes out sweet guys yeah but I you know the same same deal like when I had when I build
17:18 the stack now I have to think a lot about that right and how's people's tastes have changed and you know I had
17:23 to do a lot of work on gridiron to make make that content editable by yassir's
17:29 after they published yep like you made it work with total CMS so that you know users could say I see a CSV file from
17:35 total CMS and then it you you know gridiron would display that you know on the web page as a table really cool
17:41 stuff so yeah yeah we definitely you know every stack you know if I have an image stack is that image is that gonna be editable by the CMS or is the text
17:48 gonna be editable and and things of that nature right because a lot of that stuff is you know users users are starting to
17:54 use all these CMS solutions so we need to make sure that you know the stacks that we have can also you know leverage
18:00 all of these solutions which is pretty cool yeah that's cuz something that's that was something I opening for me is
18:06 that people are using wrap we were to build sites for pop themselves necessarily but other people and mucking
18:12 making livings off of that right yeah you know it just kind of you know as a few years ago where you know I started
18:18 getting emails from people like thanking me for the stuff that I make because that means that they can actually have a
18:26 web design business you know and that was very humbling and it made me feel it
18:31 made me feel good and it kind of made me feel like I was going to another level where was um you know for a while I I thought it was cool
18:39 I can make a couple bucks and maybe buy some coffee or some cool toys right and then it turned into hey you know I I get
18:46 to support my family doing you know developing these cool stacks and then it kind of got to the point where it was
18:51 like you know where yes I I make money from developing stacks but I also I now
18:57 make money by by helping people you know and there are a lot
19:02 of web designers out there that you know make a living now because of this products that we make and yes that is
19:10 just a really great feeling um you know I'm sure like it's a feeling like Isaiah
19:15 had when you know he is now I'm now dependent on him you know because I I
19:21 get to have a living because of what he's done with the Stax plugin right and same thing where you know these these
19:28 people get to design websites for a living and support their family and feed their children and pay their mortgage
19:35 because of the products that me and you make Greg right um it's pretty just
19:40 amazeballs amazeballs yeah it's always
19:45 interesting to see people there are some businesses and we know web businesses
19:51 not even web design businesses built with rapidweaver yes it's you know people's creativity
19:58 and innovation in that space and how they use your tools or software's yeah
20:04 just mind-boggling it's like I would not if they thought to do that or use that or use it in that way yep and all these
20:11 CMS solutions allow them to make the site and hand it off to the customer and then the customer can now manage their
20:16 entire website write blog and all yeah it's pretty cool yeah yeah so how did
20:23 you get started and how first just gonna ask you that how did you get started what was your first stack was it for
20:30 Hayek funny enough my first stack that I ever released was a CMS stack it was for
20:37 cushy CMS um now now granted it wasn't it wasn't cool because it allowed you
20:45 that once you publish it you could edit stuff with cushy but once you republished it wiped it all out right so
20:51 exactly you know you and you couldn't
20:57 see any of the stuff in rapidweaver right but yeah funny enough my very first stack um it was a whole one line
21:03 of code you know it was just a div with a class of I think it was CMS editable
21:10 or something like that right and yeah it worked as it wasn't anything fancy it just I think
21:17 it was one setting and a div that was it yeah nice nice I my first add-on I guess
21:27 I my first product would have been oh it would have been Weaver FM so as a
21:37 file management plug-in believe histories I can remember it clearly and
21:43 I remember I remember getting introduced to the community through um there will
21:51 you know will would gate if and he you know he has helped me with a lot of the
21:56 HTML CSS stuff and he actually designed it I conned almost like an mspaint icon above looks
22:06 like a filing cabinet it was gray it was like a filing cabinet and I'm like this is great so I you know at least all this
22:14 stuff for free initially he way back and I was building it in grad school because
22:20 I was going to a bunch of wedding so I wanted a way for all of our friends to
22:25 share their photos for the wedding you know way before way before we had all the tools we have now to do that yeah so
22:34 I was like I could I just came to a point where I was looking for all this to do this and I just decided to do it myself that was like I'm like I'll just
22:40 do it yeah yeah and talk talked taught myself everything so why did you take the rapidweaver
22:45 I think I must have picked wrapped Weaver up at some and some some sale I
22:55 think I picked it up at something you know one of those sale websites there's something that I wanted to I wanted to
23:00 make I wanted to make my own website so I was I was at the time fiddling with hosting my own web server in my
23:07 apartment mhm so I had I had a DSL line
23:13 with a static IP so I run my own web server host my own website geeky so yeah
23:19 I know I know so I was just in two hours
23:26 into doing it myself and making things on my own mm-hmm so let me
23:32 kind of do that it's also well before all the tools we have now such as you know before we wrap Weaver is what it is
23:38 before before I web existed before news existed before you know the online tool
23:45 or my editors existed like Squarespace and Wix all that kind of stuff so I
23:51 didn't have any really options right there wasn't much it was either it was he the Dreamweaver which
23:59 I wasn't necessarily a fan of and didn't have a PC right or something like a
24:05 believer and kind of just start started from there start fiddling with the building and next thing I knew I was
24:12 like I need to do this feature and nobody had it and I just taught myself
24:17 to code go go yeah so here we are I guess
24:27 the other thing we were talking about before we started here was you know what
24:32 are we talking about online editing stuff and I'm you know I mentioned some of the competitors for rapper we've
24:38 earned I was talking to you and I was saying how I found it interesting how if
24:44 I see if I see somebody leave or a believer I always see them to go to
24:49 these companies that are advertising that are hiring these celebrities to build their websites using Wix using
24:55 Squarespace but it just kills me I've seen these people jump off jump ship to
25:01 these companies and leave leave wrap Weaver even WordPress like if at least with WordPress at least you still own
25:08 your content yeah you know and that's that's the big thing for me and if you search online for you know Squarespace
25:16 and do you own your content and they haven't they have an article specifically written help article saying
25:22 oh yes we absolutely we absolutely you know you you own your content if you cancel your account you
25:28 can download it but if you read through it it's like you get
25:33 an XML file with your content in it it's
25:39 like good luck yeah good luck cuz you can't you can't download the themes you
25:44 do not own theme so I'm to lay out all that stuff all's you get is an XML file with like
25:50 the text of what you had written so yeah these services you know it's it's you're
25:57 you're on rented space with any of these online services you know whether or not it's Wix or or Squarespace or building
26:04 your blog on medium or you know building your your business's group inside
26:10 Facebook groups or you know any of that stuff right you're you're you get what
26:15 you pay for with these things and a lot of them are free some of them are not obviously and if you're not if you don't
26:23 own the service itself then you know what they own it um you know you're not
26:28 gonna get a full-blown web site if Squarespace ever goes bye-bye or Wix goes bye-bye you're not gonna be able to
26:34 get your entire website and just publish it to a new hosting company it's not gonna happen right so and not only that
26:42 like I think that you know you know services like Squarespace and Wix allow
26:47 you to you know really get a decent website up with very little effort okay
26:53 but to get past that point is either impossible or extremely extremely
26:58 difficult um from from my limited knowledge of their services right they
27:04 don't they don't know all of the various add-ons to do anything you particularly ever want right you're you're limited to
27:09 their styles you're limited to what they want a lot to allow you to do right and
27:15 that is definitely a big limitation yeah if you and when you start up like a
27:21 Squarespace account your website could look like the next person yeah if you wanted to do
27:26 any of the customizations and do all that stuff and you start looking at like custom themes my impression is up the
27:35 cost for this just become really expensive because you need a hire a designer and developer that knows their
27:42 specific yep you know their terror theme API is to build you a custom theme so
27:48 you're kind of you're gonna get it sending it you know if you're not gonna look look like everybody else then you
27:55 he's gonna get expensive now I heard the more OOP sorry go ahead I did I did I did have one other comment
28:00 and you made me think about it is that a lot of these companies they're only a
28:06 web hosting don't include email okay they don't
28:11 clewd databases they don't include any of the other stuff that you typically use when going from just a static HTML
28:19 page to actually something that's like interactive and usable so you're you're
28:25 left with oh I just paid this money now I gotta pay more money to get email for
28:30 my domain or you know mm-hmm-hmm and everything got about that I love it
28:36 yeah yeah cuz and I don't I don't really blame that because email email hosting
28:41 is not easy you know there's you have a lot of you have a lot of issues where you know someone accidentally gets their
28:47 account hacked and the server ends up on a panelist these companies don't want to
28:52 deal with that yeah you know and that's and that's why I think something like dark Matt coasting I think that's why
28:59 Apple's shut that down because they they didn't want to deal with that they were doing their static website hosting right
29:05 out of a web and as we forget Mon with email yeah I totally forgot about that but dot Mac hosting
29:13 yeah it's it's it's these extra features and stuff like that it became much more complicated and then just like now I
29:19 need from this is trouble few things about migrating to WordPress right one I think it's happening less and less
29:25 because of all the power that we can now do inside rapidweaver right we have full online editing and blogging
29:31 capabilities now with several different you know offerings not just myself right there's several offer ANSI offerings out
29:38 there for all of that stuff so I I see people wanting to leave for WordPress
29:44 less and less because of what they can't do in rapid eevr right there's less and less that we can we can't do in rapid
29:50 weaver you know now then we ever could so I actually he's starting to have some people that um left rapidweaver a couple
29:57 years ago for WordPress and they've been kind of keeping just keeping an eye on what I've been working on and they're
30:02 starting to come back and that's really nice to see and they're they're really loving the you know I mean get a lot of
30:09 feedback in terms of how how much they missed it and how much they think it's so much more user friendly to create a
30:14 site and only that but like the admin areas are nicer and it's just a better
30:19 experience you know annal yeah and I'm sorry I didn't
30:25 interrupt you know where he's good and then you know number two point number two was you know what a lot of people
30:30 don't think about is when they move to WordPress all the extra maintenance that you have to go with in terms of
30:36 maintaining WordPress you know WordPress is the number one you know if it's let
30:41 wet 33% of the web or something like that right now right and so when you are when you have that big of a presence on
30:47 the web you're gonna be the target for attacks and people are going to attack
30:52 and hack into your website um no matter what if you're running the latest version of WordPress if you don't keep
30:58 that up and maintain all the latest security patches someone's eventually gonna get in right because again because
31:05 they are targeting WordPress all the time because it is the biggest out there
31:11 and nuts to say that rapper can never be hacked but if you know most rap Weaver sites are kind of static there's nothing
31:18 really to hack um you know there's no there's no loopholes really to get around um you know so yeah WordPress is
31:26 gonna be a pain in the butt I know a lot of people I go to WordPress and then they pay someone monthly purely to
31:31 manage their patch levels and to keep WordPress security patches all installed that's just nuts yeah I will tell you
31:40 thankfully there are tools that will update WordPress automatically for you so it kind of mitigate some of that okay
31:46 for from what I yeah yeah there's you know chillydog offers it I'm not saying
31:51 others don't um it's a tool that will both keep WordPress updated to the
31:57 latest version and it could do incremental backups for you so like every night you can get a nice backup in
32:02 case something okay something did happen but to your to your point and you know
32:08 it's similar to your point and kind of supports your what you're saying is that
32:14 WordPress is kind of a crapshoot they it's meant to do so much the add-ons
32:21 that you're kind of getting just become it's like trying to try to cram so much
32:28 in functionality into this restrictive area that things get really hard to use
32:33 and things get really slow and
32:40 it wasn't you know if you could look at the charts of what it looks like to run run WordPress and their php5 and PHP
32:47 seven mm-hmm and if it like if it wasn't for PHP seven that's WordPress would
32:52 just pick it just crawls it just crawls and no your site your site gets affected
32:58 and your experience and usability is affected you know just your personal frustration with trying to load edit
33:05 something so simple on a page is just a nightmare because there's a tangent 57
33:10 is a lot sorry it is to the sevens hot support PHP seven you need to run and go
33:19 somewhere else chili dog hosting me two chili dog generally does really bad you can get you can get seven seven was seven
33:26 business phenomenally faster than five and seven two is even faster than seven at seven three is gonna have it's gonna
33:32 have some extra goodness to make it even faster oh yeah I haven't haven't checked out seven three actually you know total
33:37 C must - I'm working on it's actually gonna require 7.2 so yeah I wanted to
33:42 make sure it's yeah I'm losing I'm using some some of the new hotness in seven to just because yeah I wanted to I want to
33:49 keep on the bleeding edge and making sure that we're pushing everyone's pushing the web forward
33:54 yeah yeah that's fair that's fair got a problem with chili dog oh look forward to looking forward to
34:01 getting getting your hands on that I'm sure you know yeah I don't see you I don't see many people jump in
34:06 necessarily to WordPress it's those it's those tools like wicks and Squarespace that we're talking about before you know
34:13 just watching people just not grasp they're they're sacrificing their
34:19 they think you know painful they think you know this the ease of use of or not
34:25 ease of use of using Rapid River or ease of use of using Squarespace and you're
34:30 sacrificing that kind of outsourcing that kind of control and there cut the content and ownership of
34:38 their stuff it's week giving that up I don't know I
34:43 can't give that up I didn't mean me personally I can't give up that you know yeah well we've kind of the time I you
34:52 know I I want to quickly dive into my origin story we didn't get there I just want to I'll try to dive surgeon
34:57 I'll try to dive through it really quick just cuz we said we were gonna do that so I'll try not to ramble on I'll try
35:05 so I started using rapidweaver um way back in the day because I was using I
35:11 whip and I had a blog I was living in London and I was doing like a daily blog of my life you know when I lived lived
35:18 in London and I wanted to change my theme and I don't know if he ever used
35:23 iWeb before but if you ever wanted to change your theme in iWeb you had to redo every darn page and I was pissed
35:32 about that I was just like what this is nuts and I I had tested rapidweaver before a
35:39 couple of you know years before then with blocks and blocks never really never really connected with me but I
35:47 know my dad was building a new website for himself using stacks and so he was
35:52 telling me all this this new thing and in beta called stacks you gotta check it out it's it's so much nicer to build sites than blocks and I was like okay
36:00 I'll give it a shot so um I I started using it and didn't really do much with
36:05 it I I mean I had my personal website and kind of blog with it for for a couple years but in 2008 I had started a
36:13 real estate company with a friend of mine and I was in charge of the
36:19 technology so I was in charge of all the website and stuff like that so obviously I was using rapper because I liked it so
36:25 I was building all of our websites in rapidweaver and stacks and there were some things that I wanted to do that
36:31 obviously there weren't third parties there weren't many third-party stacks at the time anyway right um and so I
36:38 started playing around with the stacks API and you know creating little widgets for our website and doing some custom
36:44 stuff and I was releasing all these for free on Jornet and finally one day in
36:50 2009 Isaiah was like dude some of the stuff he gots pretty cool you know I think you should start selling this
36:57 stuff and at first I was just like nah dude who wants to buy this stuff like it's just I'm just doing this stuff for fun like it's just a stack like who
37:04 would ever want to pay for that and finally in in July
37:10 I got July 2009 I got an email from Yap dab and he was starting this new service
37:16 that he was looking for beta testers for called kart loom and it was just kind of kismet where I had Isaiah telling me I
37:23 needed to sell stacks and I had Mike saying hey I'm looking for beta testers for this new shopping cart thing I got and I was like okay why not let's give
37:31 this a shot and the rest is pretty much history right I been selling stacks full
37:37 time well part time I started so buys first stack in 2000 till i 2009 and then
37:43 I went full time doing stacks development when I got laid off in February of 2011 and yeah buddy what
37:54 Oh from you I was I was a know that real estate company kind of folded in in 2010
38:00 and I was doing consult IT consulting on the side or full-time and they wanted me
38:06 to go back on the road because I was a traveling consultant but then I kind of graduated to be like in pre-sales and so
38:13 I was just going local in the Bay Area just doing pre-sales and and you know sales work and they wanted me to go back
38:19 on the road because times were tough um and I said nah I'm kind of tired of
38:24 going out but being being on the road cuz I've done that for like five years ride I'd leave on Sunday night come home
38:30 Thursday and not see my family all week long and just live my life in an office
38:36 in a hotel room and I was kind of done with that life you know it was fun I you know I had some some good times and it
38:41 was interesting and I got a lot of good stuff done but yeah it's not something I
38:47 was really looking forward to do again so me in the company decided to part ways in February 2011 and yeah luckily I had
38:55 already been doing you know stacks for 18 months and I kind of had the income
39:00 from stacks was kind of almost almost equal to what I was making in a living um so it was a really smooth transition
39:08 luckily um I was kind of really lucky with that uh and definitely yep so yeah
39:14 now now I just make stacks for a living and you know I was having an interesting discussion the other day where you know
39:20 I haven't released many like small stacks like for the past couple years actually you know like pretty much
39:26 everything I've been working on like I've been working on total CMS like 20 hour 20 to 30 hours a week of that
39:33 you know for like three years is total CMS right and that's definitely a
39:40 long-term play right I'm I'm trying to work on the really big products um where
39:45 to be honest if I were to release a bunch of slider stacks or button stacks or you know any of these other ones that
39:50 I could probably bang one out in a day or two days right um I to be honest I'd
39:56 probably make a lot more money in the short term right um but you know I'm definitely focused on the big you know
40:03 game-changing products in the community such as you know foundation total CMS you know stuff like that where really
40:10 long development cycles really tough complex products um and but yeah I'm
40:17 excited um you know for the future I think the future definitely is bright
40:22 for rapidweaver with the stuff that I have coming I know you have some really amazing stuff coming and I'm sure other
40:28 developers do as well and you know rapidweaver eight stacks for some really
40:34 hot stuff coming this year I'm really excited the future is bright and yeah
40:39 Greg any closing thoughts I am too and as long as the community is strong I
40:45 think rapidly very strong to sweet so we
40:51 will weather the storm together yes I say cool so Greg where can everybody
40:58 find you on the interwebs chili-dogs software chillydog hosting and and at
41:04 bar shard on twitter sweet I have at Joe workman everywhere twitter facebook
41:09 instagram there also check out at weavers space that's two S's in the
41:15 middle weavers space on Twitter on Instagram and WWE weavers space and
41:21 check out our community and if you want to listen to any past episodes of Weaver radio head over to www.imtcva.org
41:49 cool thanks Greg it it was great show it was fun it's true yes thank you Cheers we'll see
41:56 you next week everybody bye done house
42:05 good show and what's good told you"}]